Wipeout for Labour in Hartlepool

Tibtom

By weight of numbers yes. Welcome to the ballot box London

So we have established the most deprived areas in the UK are outside of London. And principally in the North.

You talk about "bourgeoisie London set". Who?

The Labour Party, and their fellow travellers in our institutions, of all factions

You talk about "bourgeoisie London set". Who? From a Dorset manor house, Corbyn? Scottish Blair and Brown? Southern (but not London) working class background Starmer?

No I'm talking about people like you. Prejudiced. Hostile. Who can be found across the UK. Certainly not everyone is like you (thankfully) but it's a rather vocal minority

The ones I'm hostile to are not everyday Londoners. It's what has become of the LP I'm hostile toward

Grenfell and the mould filled Croydon flats with water leaking onto electrics. That type of housing gives a more accurate picture of how Londoners have to live

Grenfell could have happened in Leeds, Manchester, or Birmingham too, though maybe less likely because gentrification, and the money to pay for it, isn't as much of a priority, but yes that was horrific and I hope those responsible end up in jail

Northerners you mean by this, spit it out.

No I'm talking about people like you. Prejudiced. Hostile. Who can be found across the UK. Certainly not everyone is like you (thankfully) but it's a rather vocal minority.

When I say seaside towns I don't mean villages in Coorwall where all the locals have been driven out by rocketing house prices driven by second home owners from London. I mean places like Jaywick, and Blackpool. In 2019 19 out of 20 local authorities with the highest proportion of deprived neighbourhoods in England were in the north with only Hastings in the south. The most deprived neighbourhood was Jaywick in Essex, and 8 out of the remaining top ten were in Blackpool.

...but also facing ignorant prejudiced locals

Northerners you mean by this, spit it out.

And you wonder why this joke of a wokerati bourgeois London LP, wholesale swallowing US ID politcs, is being smashed to pieces in the North.

LP you need to get back, right now, to your working class roots, your history, our history, or you're dead in the water. We've got the numbers, the history and we invented it. Stop calling us names and for Christs sake, get off your knees.

Grenfell and the mould filled Croydon flats with water leaking onto electrics. That type of housing gives a more accurate picture of how Londoners have to live.

In terms of deprivation and under achievement the worst demographic are white 'working' class boys in seaside towns.

The extreme housing crisis? The "opportunity" and "privilege" of being one of the families in temporary accommodation - Two thirds, out of the whole UK, of these families are in London).

You think that doenst happen here. On top of that, we now have Londoners being re-housed here. Because out property for HB is cheaper

Like I said above, the data - hard physical fact - confirms that it's much much worse in London than anywhere else in the UK.
I said Two thirds of all homeless families housed in temporary accommodation are in London

How can it be the same where you are? The maths doesn't add up. Two thirds + two thirds...

The data and cold hard facts also confirm that London has more rough sleepers than anywhere else. Many more. That doesn't mean it isn't happening anywhere else but not on the level it is in London.

On top of that, we now have Londoners being re-housed here. Because out property for HB is cheaper

Those poor Londoners who are rehoused where you are. Distressing enough to be forced away from family, friends, and support networks .. but also facing ignorant prejudiced locals.

London is a sea of wealth and privilege with islands of poverty.

There are people who come to London (from all over the UK) to make money out of London before fucking off back home or elsewhere). Meanwhile, millions of Londoners are living in deprivation - in barely legal slum housing, amongst daily stabbings and other violent crimes (the majority, just like your northern examples, are not reported, because it's so commonplace now).

This is a consequence of the "opportunity" you refer to. You are more than welcome to it. But all of it.

But yeah make out we all live in some converted barn in the dales or peak district. .

It's not me doing the ignorant stereotypes. About both London and the north. It's not me dismissing educational opportunities at the many good northern universities, for example.

Converted barns? I never thought of places like York, a thriving city, to have many living in converted barns. Are you saying this is a thing there?

We live by the M62, the most surveilled road network in Europe and one of the busiest

Off topic but I remember one summer getting the picnic rug out and having a nice leisurely picnic in the sunshine in the fast lane of the M62.

Our housing is tiny and scarce

When the slums were cleared, there seemed to be some idea from the local planning bods that we would still prefer to live in tiny terracing similar to the old mill and miners housing. So they built the new house along those lines. I couldn't believe it when I first visited council housing estates in London, they had room for a dining table!

And, for the many many Londoners stuck living in shit housing, it's not just a little fun adventure whilst young. Unlike the people who come to London from the rest of the UK, pushing up housing prices, Londoners don't have a home town they'll be welcomed back to as a local. It's also the case for the many many Londoners "tolerating" barely legal HMOs that it's their only option other than homelessness. They've no chance of social housing in London (not after Blair made London a place to come to, make money, then fuck off from). But they also can't get social housing in most other parts of the UK, as non locals.

And, Leave was not a north south thing. Manchester, Liverpool voted Remain.
Swathes of SE England - including outer London suburbs - voted Leave

Every metropolitan county in the North voted leave

Manchester is a not even the largest city in the North and Liverpool is even smaller

This is what southerners don't understand about the North. That we have Met Counties. For example Greater Man, West Yorks, Merseyside, South Yorks etc. The cities only make up a small proportion of our urban populations and most cities here voted leave anyway

The reason for Londoners is very simple that it's their home. Where are they're from, where their families live, where their support networks.

May I ask what advantage, privilege, and opportunity you are referring to?

Opportunity, wealth in the region that we don't have . I saw in a recent Gaurdian comment someone say something like

"London is a sea of wealth and privilege with islands of poverty. The North is a sea of poverty with islands of wealth and privilege"

That sums it up for me

Is it the knife and gun crime blighting London? (Including the north London area where Keir lives).

West Yorkshire and Greater Mancheter have the worse serious crime rates in the country, not to mention the gangs that we dare not speak the name of. Serious organised crime, including heroin and people trafficking. But you wouldn't know this from the London centric media. Every day I see in my local papers a gang convicted or a death by stabbing. Never mentioned in the national press but the same in London always is.

The extreme housing crisis? The "opportunity" and "privilege" of being one of the families in temporary accommodation - Two thirds, out of the whole UK, of these families are in London).

You think that doenst happen here. On top of that, we now have Londoners being re-housed here. Because out property for HB is cheaper

The epic levels of rough sleepers?

Same here

Families and individuals forced away from their communities and support networks?

Same here

Yes very privileged. So much more so than York, Harrogate, Cheshire, Richmond

Hardly anyone lives there.
The pop of the North is 15 million and the vast majority live in
Greater Man
West Yorks
South Yorks
Merseyside
Tyne and Wear

Thats over 10 million people in our urban area. But yeah make out we all live in some converted barn in the dales or peak district.

We live by the M62, the most surveilled road network in Europe and one of the busiest

And, Leave was not a north south thing. Manchester, Liverpool voted Remain.
Swathes of SE England - including outer London suburbs - voted Leave.

We might not have the same advantage, privilege and opportunities as London or educational advantage

May I ask what advantage, privilege, and opportunity you are referring to?

Is it the knife and gun crime blighting London? (Including the north London area where Keir lives).

The extreme housing crisis? The "opportunity" and "privilege" of being one of the families in temporary accommodation - Two thirds, out of the whole UK, of these families are in London).

The epic levels of rough sleepers?

Families and individuals forced away from their communities and support networks?

Yes very privileged. So much more so than York, Harrogate, Cheshire, Richmond (Yorkshire)...

The bingo card is filling up rapidly. Comparing Brexit to fascism is idiotic in the extreme.

True and I think a lot of northerners, me included, are baffled by these accusations. The Lexit vote was strong here.

Also accusations of racism. Which is strange because in the ethnic neighbourhoods I know, many Leave posters were in the windows before the referendum. The London middle class LP think we are all thick up here. That we don't understand what the EU is and how it works. That we are all gammon racists. That we are all white amd have no ethnic diversity. That Pakistani and Jamaican heritage people here will always vote Labour. Most BAMES in England don't even live in London. Bizarre how little is known about the rest of the country. This has all been a north V London battle and now it shows

We might not have the same advantage, privilege and opportunities as London or educational advantage but we aren't stupid. But that's what the LP fuckers think of us now. That's the feeling here. Our vote was taken for granted. Well one thing the north does understand and that's democracy, we wrought and brought that, it's in our industrial history, and so the north bites back.

The bingo card is filling up rapidly. Comparing Brexit to fascism is idiotic in the extreme. Brexit is not a left or right issue. Some conservatives opposed EU membership because they saw it as a protectionist bloc which was not free market enough (where external trade was concerned). Some socialists opposed it because it was too free market (internally).

*VELVETCLOUD?
...in the 1930s a lot of people that may have been considered 'working-class' transferred their allegiance to Sir Oswald Mosley and the organisation that became eventually the British Union of Fascists

A 'lot'?

No, this is complete and utter revisionist nonsense and very typical of the twisting of our history by leftist liberal progressives who do nothing but put this country and our history down.

Mosley and the BUF had very little support. Infact thousands, even hundreds of thousands, of trade union members, communists and other assorted working class activists consistently turned up at his meetings to oppose him. He was hugely out numbered wherever he and his small band of Fascists went. In Leeds and Liverpool he was driven put by an onslaught of bottles and bricks. Even the police and courts refused to prosecute those who assaulted him. That's how much he was hated, not just by the working class but by many in our institutions.