Wipeout for Labour in Hartlepool

Quote from:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/khalid-mahmood-quit-labour-frontbench-starmer-b1843967.html

"Labour MP Khalid Mahmood has quit Keir Starmer’s frontbench, warning that the party has been taken over by “a London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors”.

Mr Mahmood had served as a shadow defence minister since Starmer’s arrival in office, but said he resigned because Labour had “lost touch with ordinary British people”.

[end quote]

I guess the criticism/attack on the Tory Party that they are an out of touch, arrogant clique, doesn't really work when the Labour Party are considered equally so.

But the last Labour Party manifesto did pledge to maintain sex-based rights

Nah, gender based I bet. Not the same thing. And even if it said sex based, who actually knows what that means anymore?

I don't hold out much hope. The only improvement I can see in the near future is if Boris Johnson is replaced by another Conservative leader. One that at least has some morals.

Harriet Harman is in Radio 4 right now saying that Labour need to convince the public that its purpose is to "deliver social justice". There's still a long way to go before they hit rock bottom.

So, did the Labour/TWAW/Wokerati brigade just not vote?
Prefer to tweet in support?
Because I’d have expected swathes of them to show up and vote in support of the brave new world they want to see.

I've been the the political chats today pointing out that Labour doesn't bring forward women leaders or acknowledge the Oxford English Dictionary definition of women, especially in its recruitment of Women Officers. It's interesting that supporters are trying to shut down that conversation and accusing this who don't agree as thick or gammon .

I have voted all of the parties through out my life but this is the line now, ignoring the voices of women at their peril at the voting box.

If Tracy Brabin wins the mayorship she's running for then there'll need to be a by-election in Batley and Spen in a couple of months time. Think the current majority is similar to that of Hartlepool (3,500ish) so it'll be a chance to see if Labour will have learnt anything in the interim.

(Clue: they won't).

The response from Labour activists on twitter to khalid Mahmoud resignation is confirming everything he’s saying

[quote SunsetBeetch]Anna Soubry seems to get it. Surprised that The Independent allowed such a nuanced article, tbh.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-hartlepool-keir-starmer-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-b1843980.html?amp=&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=upday[/quote]

Best line from that article:

"In short, Labour doesn’t know whether it is Arthur or Martha."

No, the fuckers threw a party to celebrate "freeing" the CLP from the "bigots" and "blairites" hmm (and they call the Tory's the "nasty party").
A LibDem friend of mine said to me many, many years ago that there were some truly unpleasant people in the Labour Party. The whole Corbyn fiasco just proved her right.

Sadly I think that there truly unpleasant people in every political party. I don't trust any of them at the moment, not a bloody inch.

[quote PronounssheRa]Khalid Mahmood has resigned from the Labour front bench saying that 'A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party'

twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1390711677457403910[/quote]
Good on him. That can't have been easy.

Anna Soubry seems to get it. Surprised that The Independent allowed such a nuanced article, tbh.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-hartlepool-keir-starmer-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-b1843980.html?amp=&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=upday

twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1390711677457403910

Khalid Mahmood has resigned from the Labour front bench saying that 'A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party'

twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1390711677457403910

Not read it all but will. Problems as I see it.

Momentum- back to the militant left etc. In fighting. Parties that seem not united or on the same page aren't appealing.
Appalling inaction over antisemitism.
Booting out long serving activists because they know men can't be women. Not knowing what a woman is.
Useless over brexit, not taking s stand because of internal and personal differences of opinion
Starmer no charisma
Corbyn not fit to lead (I suspect he's good at local level but a lot of people got their hopes up then he was useless)

Probably more

The don't like the people they expect to vote for them rang true for me.

But Brexit is over , finit , history. Will people vote Tory in some Groundhog Day perpetuity? Like soccer fans reliving 1966 forever. There must be a more sensible reason...please

What sensible reason is the LP giving people right now to "come back"?

To repeat, people didn't abandon Labour they feel the Party abandoned them.

It's not about reliving a "slight", it's about voters having a tangible reason to believe the party has changed.

When I joined the LP many years ago my CLP was a "safe space" for robust but good natured discussion. All viewpoints were welcome at the table and given considerate thought. Members might disagree on certain issues but had a collective empathy with broader aims.

It was a place that tolerated the then hard left "outliers" like Corbyn who were allowed a voice and were respected for their stance on various issues.

Ironically that same level of respect has gone since JC became leader. There's no tolerance or space for discussion.

When I and a number of other long standing members left what do you think the reaction was?

A review of why? A discussion to try and change our minds? An offer to find compromise/common ground?

No, the fuckers threw a party to celebrate "freeing" the CLP from the "bigots" and "blairites" (and they call the Tory's the "nasty party").

So no, I'm not in a hurry to "come back" until I see some very tangible changes rather than the LP itself living it's own "groundhog day" of making the same mistakes again and again.

Think! Not thing.

Thanks Sophocles, I'm just so fed up of being stuck on repeat. Paging the next big thing and hoping they have the ability to thing critically.

Great posts, hecates

an inherited expectation of just getting heavy voting blocks without having to do anything more than exist.

Honestly it is this, the population feels /felt very much let down by the labour MP's and the perception that they seem to do very little. There is a lot of anger today on local FB that the remaining labour MP's in the area no nothing, offer nothing and are never anywhere to be seen.

Certain sections of the progressive left/centre wanging on about how great the EU is, how shit the UK is, and how everyone needs to get back on track with the programme, when it's plain to see that isn't the case, isn't going to help anyone.