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Laurel Hubbard to go to Tokyo

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Biscuitsanddoombar · 05/05/2021 20:59

Not a surprise and hopefully it’ll open some eyes about the utter ridiculousness of allowing someone who is male to compete against women in weightlifting

www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/05/trans-weightlifter-laurel-hubbard-set-to-make-history-at-tokyo-olympics

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BettyFilous · 23/06/2021 06:05

@Signalbox

Sorry I haven't read the whole thread but just to say it's nice to see a few athletes speaking up.

Tessa Sanderson and Andy Turner.

And this response to a tweet by Alison Sydor is a classic...

Ah, it gladdens my heart to see a snarky Twitter muppet so comprehensively owned by one of the grown ups. 🤣 Thank you for posting that image.

Star555 · 23/06/2021 04:39

Please sign this petition to end this madness!
www.change.org/p/international-olympic-committee-suspend-the-international-olympic-committee-s-transgender-policy
Let's make our voices heard by the International Olympic Committee.

Ekofisk · 22/06/2021 23:50

Don is still TWAW by the looks:

"woke"! i just won right-wing talking points bingo! to be clear; i'm more interested in the weight and gravity of a trans athlete competing on the world stage than i am in people on the world stage defying gravity by lifting weight. wrong? you luke silly right now ...

IsabelleSE19 · 22/06/2021 23:48

Don't worry Appalonia - it's so disappointing. From the wording of his first tweet I really thought he must be joining the dots, but nope!

Appalonia · 22/06/2021 23:43

Please disregard my last post, I wrote it before reading all the later posts about him! Seems like he hasn't changed his stance at all...

Appalonia · 22/06/2021 23:38

@IsabelleSE19

Not an athlete, but high-profile actor Don Cheadle has just quote tweeted Ross Turner's Times column and asked 'for argument's sake' what happens if TW end up dominating women's sport. Mostly irritating replies so far but will see how it develops.

That's so interesting, as Don was very TWAW a while ago. Think for men, sport is the one thing they just can't deny is unfair, no matter how woke they consider themselves to be!

littlbrowndog · 22/06/2021 23:35

And here’s Canada the brave

OvaHere · 22/06/2021 23:33

So happy to see all these elite sports people speaking up. Sharron, Martina and Daley have been very brave leading the way, the first two shouldering much of the flak for a long time.

littlbrowndog · 22/06/2021 23:31

Our second fastest marathon runner I think coming out yay👏👏🙌🏽🙌🏽

User27aw · 22/06/2021 23:29

Here is Chris Tomlinson's tweet. Former GB Olympic long jumper

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/06/2021 23:08

I think the next webinar Baroness Nicholson is holding is on sports. I assume Tanni Grey Thompson will be speaking, which will be worth listening to.

Baroness Grey Thompson was born with a disability. I would be interested to hear what she thinks about the concept of being "born in the wrong body" and as a paralympian I expect she also has some worthwhile insights into fairness in sport.

Ekofisk · 22/06/2021 22:58

And add Chris Tomlinson to the list too.

Ekofisk · 22/06/2021 22:54

Kyle Langford’s Tweet was a corker.

CaveMum · 22/06/2021 22:47

Athletes and former athletes are peaking (or finally feeling brave enough to speak out) all over Twitter tonight. My latest count of newbies to speak out includes:

Tessa Sanderson (though I think she raised her head above the parapet a few years ago too)
Ellie Baker
James Guy
Kyle Langford
Mara Yamauchi

This is what Mara said to Sharron Davies

halloweenisover · 22/06/2021 22:05

Not directly relevant but I’m reminded of this which is too good not to share

OvaHere · 22/06/2021 21:47

@Signalbox

Sorry I haven't read the whole thread but just to say it's nice to see a few athletes speaking up.

Tessa Sanderson and Andy Turner.

And this response to a tweet by Alison Sydor is a classic...

OvaHere · 22/06/2021 21:45

@OwningAllMyMistakes

Well clearly that countries Olympic selection committee chose Laurel for that position on the team & if LH hadn’t been selected do you think she would be bleating constantly about it? Let’s just see what happens without being vicious.

Umm... It's by 'bleating constantly' in the ears of influential people that males were able to access female sports teams in the first place.

No country woke up one day and decided it would be jolly jape to include males in female sport. It's the result of the drip drip effect of lobbying over many decades.

Signalbox · 22/06/2021 21:42

Sorry I haven't read the whole thread but just to say it's nice to see a few athletes speaking up.

Tessa Sanderson and Andy Turner.

And this response to a tweet by Alison Sydor is a classic...

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 22/06/2021 21:38

Also...waiting and seeing what happens doesnt help the woman who has missed out on the chance to compete as an Olympian.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 22/06/2021 21:29

@OwningAllMyMistakes

Would you advise that people take the same approach if they think they've witnessed unfair discrimination against someone at a job interviews based on their protected characteristic(s)?

OwningAllMyMistakes · 22/06/2021 21:22

Well clearly that countries Olympic selection committee chose Laurel for that position on the team & if LH hadn’t been selected do you think she would be bleating constantly about it?
Let’s just see what happens without being vicious.

TheChild · 22/06/2021 19:57

@TheWeeDonkey

Cross posted *@TheChild*. I think I did respond to that at the time but I was so disgusted but his response to you. It was clear you were hurting and that your situation was very complex, his lack of understanding and simple refusal to see you side was just terrible. I'm sorry you had to go through that

That wasn't myself, I was one of many who he quote tweeted anf caused a pile on. How, as a father, he cannot see the harm in the trans ideology is beyond me. He is vile.

TheWeeDonkey · 22/06/2021 19:04

Cross posted @TheChild. I think I did respond to that at the time but I was so disgusted but his response to you. It was clear you were hurting and that your situation was very complex, his lack of understanding and simple refusal to see you side was just terrible. I'm sorry you had to go through that

TheWeeDonkey · 22/06/2021 19:00

@Letsgetreadytocrumble

I'm really disappointed in Don Cheadle, I really didn't have him down as a misogynist.

I wonder if he comes from a similar school of misogyny as the likes of Owen Jones - where they don't actively hate women, but they do see women as nothing more than support humans for men, who always come first.

The idea that a woman has lost out to Laurel Hubbard, and that a woman might actually be upset and affected by that, just doesn't even occur to these men.

Oh he's properly drunk on the Kool Aid, I went off him when he caused a pile on of a mother of a gender questioning child.

No proper interaction, no compassion. Anything but total affirmation (including medical intervention) is child abuse and literal violence.

I do wonder how these cheerleaders will fair when the shit hits the fan.

IrmaFayLear · 22/06/2021 17:42

The thing is that I don’t think the pro-lobby are going to listen to any pleas for fairness - they simply don’t see it as an issue. If someone believes that if you feel you are a woman then you are a woman then that’s the end of it really. It’s irrelevant whether one woman is 5’2 and 7 stone and the other 6’2 and 15 stone - they are just differently-sized women. If the big woman happened to have once been a man, that is also of no relevance as she now is a woman.

So appealing to someone’s better nature or sense of fair play is pointless.

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