Laurel Hubbard to go to Tokyo

Curious though, isn't it?

If the science is sound then the science is not limited to one sporting discipline. Why is it unfair for middle distance athletic events but not unfair for weightlifting?

(answer - because the science isn't sound)

I think previously the IAAF did use the 10 nmol/l figure, but then revised it down because of the prevalence of DSD athletes in middle distance events, and because higher levels of testosterone enhance performance at those middle distance events.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria

The limit is the one imposed by the IAAF, although it is clearly wrong that a male athlete is competing in the female category.

www.worldathletics.org/news/press-release/eligibility-regulations-for-female-classifica

I almost (almost) wanted Telfer to run in the Olympics.

Athletics draws a bigger audience than weightlifting and you can see the direct comparison between the competitors in a way you don’t see with weightlifting.

Ethics of Y chromosomes in female sport aside - how is it fair that CeCe Telfer is excluded by a WA rule that is different from the IOC rule?

Also my (super fit runner) husband was ranting to me yesterday, about male puberty, about how testosterone isn't a decent measure, about LH being 43, and he was met with some weary but patient nodding. You wise women called it that sport would be the tipping point for a lot of men.

Just idly scrolling through Instagram and saw this by a high profile male personal trainer. He has an interesting take on the situation and it has had over 270k views

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CQbRsPzlYtb/?utmmedium=copyy_link

Telfer hasn’t qualified for the US Olympic trials - I doubt even if Telfer had qualified for the trials that Telfer would be fast enough to qualify for the Olympics. Telfer’s trials entry time is 57.53, the Olympic entry time is 55.40.

Anyone know anything about this group?

N=8

twitter.com/nequals8xy/status/1407573409786044419?s=21

They seem to be an international campaign group aimed specifically at changing the OIC regulations.

Having watched a couple of clips recently of past track races (one at elite competition level) I've been torn between rage at the blatant lunacy, and feeling that something like this needs to happen in front of the world's TV cameras to hammer the point home.

It really does concentrate the mind when one group of athletes is straining every single muscle and sinew to the absolute maximum, only for a single other person virtually to saunter past them all without a care in the world while not appearing to make any significant effort.

www.necn.com/news/sports/testosterone-rule-keeps-transgender-runner-from-us-olympic-trials/2491659/

Good. The right people will be in the event then.

However I think CeCe would have been as useful to our discussion as Laurel is. It’s so blindingly obvious watching them compete that it’s ridiculous and unfair.

In some good news, CeCe Telfer will not be going to the Olympics. Full details here but basically CeCe has not been able to maintain T levels below 5 nmol/L as required by World Athletics.

twitter.com/boysvswomen/status/1407907908499787777?s=21

The IOC limit is 10 nmol/L so I’m guessing the WA limit overrides that?

I did get the picture from The Times, so I can’t see why it should not be suitable for here.

I recall I posted a similar photo of another transgender athlete (CeCe Telfer) and the post was deleted, despite the fact that it was from a very pro Telfer article.

I guess as the photo is in the Times, we don't have to pretend that Hubbard doesn't have obviously male genitalia.

Wonder if there’s a supplement I could buy to get more snap in my snatch

Wingspan?

That’s for what are commonly known as birds no?

Ah wait…

You can see how language could be confusing.

Just as well my eyes work.

I'm hoping that the sheer arrogance of that certain faction (avoiding the letters as will probably get post deleted) and the fact that they think SM is the real world will cause the world to peak trans once the olympics get underway.

sad to say that IMHO there will be more outrage because its to do with sport but if the end result is that the general public finally gets a full picture of what is going on then thats fine by me.

www.outkick.com/transgender-bmx-rider-for-team-usa-vowed-to-burn-flag-on-podium/

Sophoclesthefox

Yes, that’s what I saw too, Helleofabore. I’m also wondering how exactly a transition in your thirties shortens a persons wingspan, which is an important factor in the snatch element in particular. longer arms= more force generated = more snap in the snatch. People born male tend to have longer arms.

We need strongly worded open letters to the BBC, etc. signed by women. Is FPFW already doing a letter we can sign and share? Having a panel about women's sports without a single female-born panelist is disgusting and disgraceful.

I think that picture shows a lot…,

Oh, just seen that there’s a separate thread on this too (finding MN glitchy on my phone after the FWR topic was split).