Laurel Hubbard to go to Tokyo

Oh God yeah. Totally. 110% And I worry she has too much of an infuence on ds' thinking about his sexuality.

I know she's only 16. But the temptation to tell her very bluntly about all the shit I've experienced in my life as a result of being a woman is immense.

I did the same Molly with the same results. I struggle with the total lack of engagement from my female friends.

Posted the Guardian article on Facebook. Not one like or interaction .. I don't believe any of my friends think it's right, they are just all cowards.

What on Earth makes PPs think that anyone will give a flying fuck about fairness to female athletes? Don't you get it? Women aren't allowed boundaries, we aren't allowed any sex-based facility or rights, and we aren't allowed to talk about it.

Sexnotgender thank you for posting! It's so fkn infuruating! I have literally had to spend this evening in a different room so I don't say something I'll regret... Massive sympathies x

And deep down these athletes must know they are cheating,

Where deep down means something that's blindingly obvious.

This is breaking me.

And I've just spoken about it with my LGDTQ+++ woke dd who sees no problem. She's planning on going into nursing! It's fucking horrendous 😱😱😱

And deep down these athletes must know they are cheating, deep down they must know that they have a biological advantage.

They do. And they don't care. Mediocre males breaking female records.

This was just on the sports news on BBC Five Live and described as 'controversial'.

What message doe this send our girls?

Female sport is not visible enough. My daughter had to ask her teacher put put the women's football on at school. (Over wet playtime he used to put sport on) It was always men. Luckily he listened to her. However the most famous sports people are all men, girls need the encouragement . (It came to my attention as Sports Direct are doing some kind of women's sports sponsorship.)

However if this happens what message does this send to our girls that to do well in sport they needed to be born male to compete and win in women's sport.

And deep down these athletes must know they are cheating, deep down they must know that they have a biological advantage.

I hope it shines a spotlight but absolute heartbreak for the woman who missed out on being an Olympian and it's obviously tremendously unfair for the women Laurel will be competing against.

Unfortunately he wouldn’t be good enough to make it onto the medal podium (even as a woman). Get selected - yes - but not win.

I'm eyeing up my DH. Even as an untrained man he has (literally) Olympian levels of VO2max and is made for some events. If* he had the discipline to train he's a stupidly reasonable chance of doing creditably in the men's Master events and obliterating the competition in the women's Master events.

*This is a doing a lot of work. This stuff is so comparatively effortless for him he doesn't begin to appreciate his genetic and physiological advantages. I've no idea as to his T levels but wondering if I should have them tested just in case this idea has legs.

What we really need is Andy Murray when he retires.....

My dh was a junior international at a sport but wasn’t good enough to make it as a senior. However, even now - in his 40s, middle aged spread, doesn’t train very much - I think that he might be able to get training and get himself into the national top 5 for women by next year. All ready for the commonwealths!

See - I would support that if I were confident that your DH were going to turn round on the podium and say: "This is a travesty. Was anybody in much doubt that I'd place? I've done this to highlight what is happening to women's sports and how the sporting bodies are convincing us all that we have to gag the boy in the crowd rather than permit discussion about the emperor's new clothes."

I've not RTFT but want to know if Team GB has signed up Zuby for the women's squad yet?

Our hero Trans sportswomen. Not. Ruining sport for women

Sorry rogue ‘not’

Should say very few are shouting about this.

Very few of the TRA crowd on Twitter are not shouting about this and screaming TERF - they know that publicising it and repeating TWAW is not going to aid their cause with this story.

So a reasonable proportion of men can just compete as women without having to take any drugs at all??????

This is sooooo exciting!

My dh was a junior international at a sport but wasn’t good enough to make it as a senior. However, even now - in his 40s, middle aged spread, doesn’t train very much - I think that he might be able to get training and get himself into the national top 5 for women by next year. All ready for the commonwealths!

It is not impossible that his testosterone is lower than average - he is not at all aggressive. I think we need to get him tested.

What else does he have to do? We could add an “a” onto his name to make it female. And Dd has loads of pink bobbles and clips over from her Peppa Pig phase - he could wear one of them! Sorted!

Shall I go and break the news?????

If records get set that women are unable to match, women are likely to get hurt trying to beat it and put under pressure to dope in order to remain competitive.

Look at Elena Muchina - a world class Olympic gymnast who was pressured by her coach to perform a Salto tumble from men's gymnastics and ended up a quadriplegic.

The only positive I can see in this situation is at least it's not a sport where a woman could be physically harmed in the competition by LH.

That doesn't count the harm done to women who lose out down the tables obviously, just the physical harm.

I wonder how commentators are going to come at this? Are they really going to seamlessly pretend there's nothing to see here?
Yes I think they will, as will most reporters. Mainstream media is not a secure working environment and I imagine people will keep their heads down and that it will be up to social media to keep flagging up what's going on.

As an aside, what are the professional boxing sporting bodies' rules about TW? I know they can't compete in the Olympics if professional, but was just musing that if Katie Taylor got beaten by a biological male, I reckon quite a few of Ireland's population would sit up and get annoyed.