Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Local elections how to spoil ballot?

116 replies

sessell · 05/05/2021 12:35

I've always voted, even in local elections. However, as a GC lefty I am stuck. Our labour council are generally good, but the local candidate is an avowed, authoritarian TRA, though her promotional materials don't mention that, just standing up for women! I have seen her on FB laying into a GC woman and bragging about protesting outside a Woman's Place event . I really don't want to support them into a position where they could decimate single-sex spaces. Similarly greens, and lib-dems. I can't vote Tory for their cruelty. So I am left with spoiling my ballot. I'll write something like 'sex not gender identity in local politics.' But I wondered if any others are in the same position and if we could coordinate a slogan. It's a small protest, but candidates do read all spoiled ballots.

OP posts:
WithLargeTableMouse · 05/05/2021 21:35

Well I always used to vote Green if there wasn’t a decent Labour or Lib Dem to vote for so that the other parties would think the environment matters to people but they’re more interested in gender woo woo now so they’re out Confused

newnortherner111 · 05/05/2021 21:05

LIke @ArabellaScott I always vote, even if it is for the least worst candidate. If only to feel I can criticise from the position of having taken part. In the tiniest hope that the smaller the majority, the possibility they might take some interest in local issues and actually do something worthwhile.

ArabellaScott · 05/05/2021 20:54

Got it!

www.votenone.org.uk/protest_votes_count.html

Personally I will always vote, even for the least worst candidate. But if you really feel you want to spoil your vote, the above advice seemed sound to me.

ArabellaScott · 05/05/2021 20:52

There's a website on how to effectively spoil your ballot ... oh, what was it called ....

Bvop · 05/05/2021 20:47

Just spotted this thread: if you’re going to spoil your ballot with a picture (I believe that a cock and balls is traditional) make sure it isn’t entirely contained in one candidate’s box because otherwise it’ll be counted for them. There is some interesting case law on this.

Littlefluffyclouds13 · 05/05/2021 20:46

@MiddleOfThePack

What a load of boll&$s on this thread. Spoiled ballots are counted as spoiled and then binned / destroyed. Honestly don't know why you f'g bother as NO ONE WILL NOTICE. Why live in a democracy where you have the privilege of a vote if you're going to waste your time on utterly meaningless 'gestures' ?
Totally agree. We're privileged compared to so many women who aren't even entitled to vote.

Spoilt ballot papers? Pointless, just don't bother voting. Nobody will even read or be remotely interested in what you write.

My daughter was fiercely political from a young age, my dp was happy to vote on her behalf when she was a younger teen.

Why not offer your vote to someone who isn't legally able to vote but would love to have the opportunity to do so?

WithLargeTableMouse · 05/05/2021 20:38

@SushiGo I do totally get what you mean and I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly until very recently but my Labour candidate is the clp women’s officer only because the previous women’s officer resigned when she wasn’t even allowed to raise a discussion about women’s single sex rights being impacted by self id. I can’t bring myself to vote conservative so I’d rather at least make a protest vote than not even turn up. I’m absolutely gutted to not be using my vote, it goes against everything I believe in but i don’t feel I have much choice.

MiddleOfThePack · 05/05/2021 20:34

What a load of boll&$s on this thread. Spoiled ballots are counted as spoiled and then binned / destroyed. Honestly don't know why you f'g bother as NO ONE WILL NOTICE. Why live in a democracy where you have the privilege of a vote if you're going to waste your time on utterly meaningless 'gestures' ?

WithLargeTableMouse · 05/05/2021 20:28

[quote sessell]@murbblurb and everyone else who thinks a spoilt ballot disrespects the suffragettes. Here is a quote and hopefully a picture (if it uploads) from American suffragette Susan B Antony: “No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her sex.” In my view it disrespects these pioneers if we blithely support parties that mostly blindly work to destroy the rights they fought for. Not voting at all is unthinkable. But in terms of voting, spoiling the ballot and making the reason clear is better than voting for a candidate who actively opposes sex-based rights.[/quote]
Thanks @sessell, I’ve been wondering how to spoil my ballot and I’m going to write that quote along with Labour losing women as I used to be a Labour Party member.

Clymene · 05/05/2021 20:16

@SushiGo

I don't know, I don't live where you live. As I said up thread my recommendation is to post on a local Facebook group, the candidates will quickly pop up once tagged and you can ask some decent questions.
Yeah that doesn't really work with that sort of thing but thanks for your advice👍
Floisme · 05/05/2021 20:14

You're welcome sessell and ChiefInspectorParker Yes the PCC advice is helpful - I got the link from another poster on another thread but can't remember who it was now.

bagelbaby · 05/05/2021 20:14

this is great - i now know who to vote for as our PCC. nice work

terryleather · 05/05/2021 20:01

Every single time this comes up. I dont care if mine never gets read, i only bother to do this so they know I actually bothered to turn up only to find women still dont matter. So they can fuck themselves for my actual x in a box.

This is how I feel.

I live in Scotland, the fuds that run things here with a very few notable exceptions don't deserve a lick o' my shite let alone my vote.

So it'll be "None" written across the ballot paper and a Woman Adult Human Female sticker...and hopefully a fit of the vapours again for any reality denying genderists who might happen upon my ballot at the count.

SushiGo · 05/05/2021 19:55

I don't know, I don't live where you live. As I said up thread my recommendation is to post on a local Facebook group, the candidates will quickly pop up once tagged and you can ask some decent questions.

Clymene · 05/05/2021 19:53

My Labour candidate is an all round lovely guy @SushiGo. Except I happen to know he has harassed multiple women. Who should I vote for?

SushiGo · 05/05/2021 19:53

That's fine, and that's your choice but don't pretend you are doing it for the benefit of people who desperately rely on sensible, well funded local government services. Your choice to spoil your ballot does not benefit them in anyway.

Congressdingo · 05/05/2021 19:48

@SushiGo

If you don't know anything about your candidates I recommend posting on your local Facebook group. Someone will pop up, tag them and you can ask questions.
I know all I need to about my candidates thanks. I'm making a valid point by spoiling my vote. Any service that's for only women should stay that way. And until women are listened to about this I will withhold my vote. Christ this stuff hasn't even become mainstream news yet, but it should be, we are 50% and we matter.
SushiGo · 05/05/2021 19:44

If you don't know anything about your candidates I recommend posting on your local Facebook group. Someone will pop up, tag them and you can ask questions.

SushiGo · 05/05/2021 19:42

That's the point though isn't it. Services that impact women aren't solely ones that involve ethical questions about mixed sex provision.

So to drill it down to that is pointless. There's a whole picture here.

And yes, I am very involved in asking people to vote. Not for any particular party. Just to vote.

It's telling to me that because I disagree with you, you assume I know nothing about it.

AvantGardening · 05/05/2021 19:41

@SushiGo my local choice is
A) Tory, white old dude, convicted drunk driver and the only candidate to bother sending out something about policy/him
Or
B) one of three candidates who I can find nothing about. I know name, address and party. Nothing from them through the door. Nothing on the local party websites. Nothing if I google them but the election notification.

The PCC lot I can see. So I’ve made a choice. It’s not one I’m happy with but I’d be less happy with the other options

Congressdingo · 05/05/2021 19:35

@SushiGo

Those of us who have fought to keep local services that support women going know how much every damn vote makes, so yes I get angry to think that so many women apparently think this one issue is worth throwing the women living around them under the bus for the next four years.

Local elections desperately need every single sensible vote they can get.

What use are mixed sex services to women? You know when men can be women on their say so. Be angry I dont give a shit, my vote is mine to ignore, spoil or actually use to vote. Do you get this angry at all those who cant even get off their arse to go vote or organise a postal vote?
ChiefInspectorParker · 05/05/2021 19:34

This reply has been withdrawn

Message from MNHQ: This post has been withdrawn

SushiGo · 05/05/2021 19:29

Those of us who have fought to keep local services that support women going know how much every damn vote makes, so yes I get angry to think that so many women apparently think this one issue is worth throwing the women living around them under the bus for the next four years.

Local elections desperately need every single sensible vote they can get.

Congressdingo · 05/05/2021 19:22

@murbblurb

No one reads spoilt papers. You are wasting your time and an actual vote.
Every single time this comes up. I dont care if mine never gets read, i only bother to do this so they know I actually bothered to turn up only to find women still dont matter. So they can fuck themselves for my actual x in a box.
sessell · 05/05/2021 18:57

@murbblurb and everyone else who thinks a spoilt ballot disrespects the suffragettes. Here is a quote and hopefully a picture (if it uploads) from American suffragette Susan B Antony: “No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her sex.” In my view it disrespects these pioneers if we blithely support parties that mostly blindly work to destroy the rights they fought for. Not voting at all is unthinkable. But in terms of voting, spoiling the ballot and making the reason clear is better than voting for a candidate who actively opposes sex-based rights.

OP posts: