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Local elections how to spoil ballot?

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sessell · 05/05/2021 12:35

I've always voted, even in local elections. However, as a GC lefty I am stuck. Our labour council are generally good, but the local candidate is an avowed, authoritarian TRA, though her promotional materials don't mention that, just standing up for women! I have seen her on FB laying into a GC woman and bragging about protesting outside a Woman's Place event . I really don't want to support them into a position where they could decimate single-sex spaces. Similarly greens, and lib-dems. I can't vote Tory for their cruelty. So I am left with spoiling my ballot. I'll write something like 'sex not gender identity in local politics.' But I wondered if any others are in the same position and if we could coordinate a slogan. It's a small protest, but candidates do read all spoiled ballots.

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Olderbadger1 · 13/05/2021 13:55

2-minute action.
If you are in Wales, the BBC wants to know if/why you did or didn't vote in the Senedd elections. Please tell them, especially if you spoiled your ballot because you are politically homeless as an adult human female.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57086750?fbclid=IwAR1S1dvQclCakBSyokffodf6LYzxefxMcakAV1hjqlwGyZQKcPucvB6WrdI

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 06/05/2021 22:16

@noneedtoexpelme, have a Gin on me.
It's all a bit shit, really.

On the plus side, I went off on one last night when talking to a friend who is a bit Woke and in a position of some influence. To my amazement and surprise, she agreed with me, so perhaps there is hope, after all.

BlackeyedSusan · 06/05/2021 21:33

I knew to take a pen this time. the bloody pencil was really scratchy and loud last time I hauled my disabled arse to the polling station to register a protest vote. as someone who deperately relies on local services and needs those services to be single sex.

BlackeyedSusan · 06/05/2021 21:31

ps this thread is a good 'un for comment bingo. there is always "no-one reads"... followed by, when I am at a count... plus a mention of a penis or two, plus an if you don't vote you are responsible for.... plus women died for your vote...

noneedtoexpelme · 06/05/2021 21:29

grumpy - it hurt me too. First time in 40 years that I have done this. Am gutted.

BlackeyedSusan · 06/05/2021 21:24

I researched candidates, two of the three votes got a proper vote. one got "annotated" with an x in the least worst box with a different colour pen. I don't care what other people think. this is what I want to do.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 06/05/2021 21:11

I took a sticker in pocket that I had prepared earlier, and for the first time in my life, I spoiled my ballot.

It fucking hurt. My DM brought me up to exert my right to vote; she was born only a year after women got the right to vote on an equal footing with men.

Sadly we don't get Wokebros here checking if we've voted (this is donkey-with-a-blue-ribbon territory) because I would have been very willing to lay into one.

noneedtoexpelme · 06/05/2021 20:25

spoilt my ballot and a very unlucky young wokebro knocked my door to see if I have voted. He won't be doing that again. I really lost my temper with him. Really fed up today, especially after the Sinnot result.

PurpleWh1teGreen · 06/05/2021 19:44

Thank you for the sticker tip. I went with a shorter version of the Susan Anthony quote upthread.

I have the right not to vote for people who won't represent me.

Congressdingo · 06/05/2021 15:11

They're making decisions that benefit their own pockets and those of their mates
If you decide to waste your vote in this way,don'tcomplain when the local beauty spot is concreted over by development companies

This has already happened.

women's and children's services are withdrawn

What difference when womens services are mixed sex just to keep them, I'm doing this for women.

your car is damaged by potholes in the road

Again already happened, plus all the other things you can probably think of*

LadyBuffOfBuffdonia · 06/05/2021 14:51

The way I see it is I no longer have a voice. I've done what I can to explain to my (ex)GC representative in generals my concerns, but it's become very clear she is powerless to address the issues. I say ex because she suffered terrible in party bullying very publicly and was made to tow the line.
I now have no recourse left. So whilst it's a perhaps futile gesture, is it's the only one left to me. I am not able to express myself publicly or on social media as to do so would risk my profession.
Equally, last general I was proud to vote for our candidate as she had values that reflect mine. That she was a woman was a happy coincidence. As much as voting for white men continues the cycle, I think not voting for the right candidate because they're male is a poor look out.

Bluntness100 · 06/05/2021 14:31

Not voting at all is unthinkable

Spoiling the ballot is not voting.

Argoscatalogueandabingoma · 06/05/2021 14:27

I asked how long should women wheeshed. No swearing or personal slurs.

Argoscatalogueandabingoma · 06/05/2021 14:26

I'm blocked on twitter by the only candidate I would vote for.

terryleather · 06/05/2021 13:48

@Floisme

Thank you but none of you have raised anything that I haven't already thought about. I do find it interesting though how, even in the ballot box, women are harangued like disobedient children and told that our personal feelings should not matter.
Absolutely Floisme, along with it somehow being our fault that it's all white middle aged men in positions of power.

I don't think I'm "morally superior" for spoiling my ballot, I don't think I'm better than anyone else for doing it but I simply will not put a cross in a box for those who think men can be women and everything that flows from that ideological position.

PronounssheRa · 06/05/2021 13:06

@ArabellaScott

Didn't you watch the Jackie Weaver clip of abusive men shouting their views? Did none of you read her article where she states that so many white older men are councillors? It's because people don't bother to vote them out

the JW clip illustrated very well why so few women are keen to get involved.

Also see joe Anderson (ex Liverpool mayor) berating feminist at a council meeting because they wanted a discussion on sex based rights Hmm
ArabellaScott · 06/05/2021 12:55

Didn't you watch the Jackie Weaver clip of abusive men shouting their views? Did none of you read her article where she states that so many white older men are councillors? It's because people don't bother to vote them out

the JW clip illustrated very well why so few women are keen to get involved.

ArabellaScott · 06/05/2021 12:54

@LadyBuffOfBuffdonia

I won't vote for the lesser evil, on account that it's still evil and when things inevitably start happening that I don't like, I can't moan because I gave them the power knowingly. So my two options are: not voting at all or spoiling my ballot. Be angry at the system that's put us in this situation, not at the people left with no choice. And I wrote to my openly GC labour representative (not from this election) and received radio silence. That tells me what I need to know.
Yeees, I do see your point.

But not voting is voting, in a sense.

I plan to use 'I bloody voted for you!' as fuel for when I start pestering my MSPs. Smile

LadyBuffOfBuffdonia · 06/05/2021 12:50

For those people suggesting I vote for the least worse option, that'd be the conservatives.
Unfortunately, they don't have a great disability track record, even at our local level. I would be betraying ds to vote for them.
But if I vote Labour, Lib Dems or greens I betray other people's daughters.

So is there a mystery third option I haven't thought of? As far as I can see it's don't vote, spoil my ballot or send yet more letters to be ignored.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 06/05/2021 12:45

Women protested, suffered and died for my right to vote. I take it seriously, but not to the point of voting for the slightly less dangerous idiot in a parade of chancers.

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Thelnebriati · 06/05/2021 12:41

What democracy? I have no one to vote for.

MissBarbary · 06/05/2021 12:02

@LatteToday

I genuinely don't understand why people keep saying no one looks at spoiled ballots.

If it is unclear who you have voted for, Then they are absolutely looked at by either the candidates or their agents, as part of the process of deciding who the vote is for.

DH is an MP so I’ve been to a fair few counts and seen it happening.

That isn't what people are saying. The tellers look at every ballot paper and the spoiled papers are put in their own pile.

The presiding officer will look at them to determine if the tellers' decision is correct and some presiding officers read out not only the total of spoiled papers but group them into different categories.

If the result is close and/ or there are more spoiled ballots than the number between the winning candidate and the next highest then the candidates will want to scrutinise spoiled ballots to see if they can be allocated. Although if it's that close it's likely to be a recount.

Spoil them if you want but don't kid yourself you're making a great stand for democracy.

PronounssheRa · 06/05/2021 11:56

Women protested, suffered and died for my right to vote. I take it seriously, but not to the point of voting for the slightly less dangerous idiot in a parade of chancers

Can we get this on a sticker Grin excellently put

LadyBuffOfBuffdonia · 06/05/2021 11:55

I won't vote for the lesser evil, on account that it's still evil and when things inevitably start happening that I don't like, I can't moan because I gave them the power knowingly.
So my two options are: not voting at all or spoiling my ballot. Be angry at the system that's put us in this situation, not at the people left with no choice.
And I wrote to my openly GC labour representative (not from this election) and received radio silence. That tells me what I need to know.

Floisme · 06/05/2021 11:52

That was not directed at you Beowulfa