Britain's youngest trans child

@Shizuku
You say you were a trans girl tomboy.

What age did you trans?

Can you really not see anything strange or alarming in preschool children identifying as trans?

How depressing. When my child was around that age he wanted to b a dinosaur when he grew up. 🙄

This is so depressing. My DS was determined he was a girl for about a year. He knows he is a boy now.

The trick is not to seize on it and question them about something that means nothing at that age. My worry would be they have essentially made this child think it is important to fix on a gender and stick with it and thus harder to swing back again to being a girl if that is what the child wants.

I wanted to be a boy from the age of 3 until some time in my teens. My parents just ignored it mostly and let me wear and do what I wanted unless there was no choice. Trousers in school were not an option for me, nor to parties or big family celebrations, but I mainly lived in them the rest of the time. Like others on this thread, I am just relieved I grew up in the 70s/80s and not now!

The poor children in that article 😢

Their teenager, like many now identifying as trans, is autistic. Very literal. So, in her mind, if you are not into all this pretty pinkness and the wearing of cute little pinafores, you must be male. Or ought to be, at least. I think I can see where she is coming from:she is rejecting her mother's suffocatingly narrow version of what female-ness is. While not having the social skills and life experience necessary to navigate the maze.

No comments. Must be turned off. I wonder why

There are over 500 comments- the vast majority are very critical and sceptical of the parents.

I'm so glad I was born in the 80s and had the parents I had, I think if someone had said I could be a boy instead of a girl when I was a child I would have bitten their hand off and been entirely convincing to any medical professionals involved. But I wasn't a boy I was a tom boy and still am.

Friend said this to me and it struck a chord - if an anorexic child said they thought they were fat would you agree that they were and help them endanger their health by aiding them to starve themselves?

Interesting because (paraphrasing) one of the things that was important to the dad was "accepting people for who they are and not putting them in a box"
To me, that would mean accepting that theres no set, or defined way that a girl "should" look, behave, dress, play, speak, or think, and that they can have aspirations to be anything they want?

See Dany Cottan, or Cressida Dick as role models, if they're interested in being in the police or fire service.

Surely deciding they must be a boy because they dont like pink or pigtails is putting them in a box...?

Also how do they know what non binary is? I'm pretty sure my 11 year old doesnt know...

Maybe if Stormy’s parents had been less stereotypical in what constitutes being a boy or being a girl means then maybe Stormy would have just been happy to be herself. Pig tails and pretty shoes do not a woman make

One of my DDs cut her very long hair completely short , full short back and side’s style, loves her cargo pants baggy tshirts, wears “boys” school trousers to school, loves playing football, video games. She kept being referred to as a boy by people, she just rolled her eyes most of the time but one days she said to a woman in a shop, I’m a girl, girls can have short hair too. She was only 7 at the time, I was so proud of her for sticking up for herself. Im in no doubt she doesn’t have gender issues, she just likes her own comfortable style.

Then...Firefighter Penny Morris is/should be a man? Yikes.

Oooo. Also from Fireman Sam the twins (!) Sarah and James "When they both grow up, want to be firefighters just like their Uncle Sam." 'Sarah' is depicted wearing dungarees firemansam.fandom.com/wiki/Sarah_and_James#:~:text=Sarah%20and%20James%20Jones%20are,behaved%20children%20living%20in%20Pontypandy.

Is Sarah then a boy? Are both the twins male?

It wasn't the cat comment. I get that. It's one of the many reasons I don't have one. Also, sadly allergic.
Someone else made a *side eye vegan comment. That's the one I was a bit ugh about.

And as seen above, it turns out that it's maybe people who aren't being vegan saying they're that draws the sarcasm.
We need a word for fake vegans. Fegans?

Back to the subject at hand, we are raising Ds pretty gender neutral, but I'd be horrified if someone suggested him wearing pink means a lifetime of surgery.

Didn’t realise my “Vegan Cat” comment was going to draw such controversy!

To clarify, it was not intended as a slight against vegans, it was simply meant in the context of when people claim to have a vegan cat we know it’s not the cat making that decision - similarly when parents of young children claim that their child is trans we can be pretty darn certain the child is not the one driving that choice.

Apologies for any offence to vegans!

Thanks for this link. I am really challenged buying clothes for my 11 year old. She only ever now wears black leggings and boys tshirts as girls clothes in her age range are so gendered and sadly sexualised.

Ever tried buying a girls top that is not a crop top, without a slogan or frills? ! I've given up.

I found that age difficult to buy for (and no doubt will again with the next one), there seems to be this polar opposite of Disney and 'too old'. My 15 year old lives in black leggings (whole other issue getting them for her legs that reach my armpits) and t-shirts which are mainly from H&M, so eventually it gets easier again.

This is so disturbing, she is far too young to make this decision. Thank god the clinic won't even look at her until she's 10. The parents think they are doing the right thing and being liberal but really they are going to damage that child. She doesn't know who she is, she's four!Just let her explore and see what happens

DD was a real tomboy, she never wants her hair done in pigtails or even a pony tail, wanted short hair, wouldn't wear dresses or skirts, hated pink etc and is friends with all the boys and plays with what would be considered to be traditional boys toys. She hates pretty shoes and only wears trainers. We went with it and allowed her to do all that. We never told her she wanted to be a boy, she was simply her.

She's now 6 and is much more 'girlie' as they say. Why put a label on it, they are actually stopping her naturally develop her own opinions and make her own choices.

That was supposed to say “terrible parenting”

I know someone with “trans” 4 year old. Apart from parenting (they don’t believe in saying “no” to their child) what really gets me is when this child was a boy they (the parents) were all about rejecting gender stereotypes, letting him dress however he wishes and play with all sorts of toys. Now he’s apparently a girl the stereotypes are rigid - it’s 100% frilly dresses and dolls. The parents so very obviously wanted a girl. It’s depressing.

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Loved Robbie Rotten. I no doubt need urgent psycho-analysis.

I've got good news for you.

They're not vegan.

Give them a slap from me!

Yet they eat fish.... And have been known to eat chicken because it looked too nice in a restaurant. Their main motivation is how they are perceived in society and their social media account and not to do with animal welfare etc... I’m not saying they don’t care about animal welfare, but not as much as they care about they are perceived.

Interesting point. I had to buy leather shoes for Ds as apparently they don't make cruisers in non leather materials. I considered it negligent not to get him suitable shoes though so had to go with what is available. It's annoying but I don't feel less vegan because of it.

Also, some vegans will wear leather items they purchased before going vegan so not to add to landfill. They'll wear them till they fall apart.
And some vegan shoes look like leather and they're not.

But generally, no a vegan person wouldn't buy leather shoes.

Anyway, let's leave it there before this becomes the vegan cat thread. 🐈