Britain's youngest trans child

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@MishyJDI

Long hair - he didn’t fashion his hair into a crown.

She didn't get enough hair to do anything sensible with until she was about 4, and brushing it was a nightmare, I can't imagine the trauma of putting it in pigtails (for me or her - try pigtails all day yourself, I did for fancy dress at work recently, owww oww owww), but did I chop off her mop of straggly hair into a short back and sides and assume she wanted to be a boy? No

Same here. But I did chop off her mop of straggly hair as I was advised to- it did look a lot tidier and a lot less fell out as it was being brushed.

Still didn’t mean she was a boy though. Even if most people thought so. I had arguments with many people who couldn’t get their heads round a girl with short hair, and insisted she was a boy in a dress.

Her hair did get her quite a bit of interest from model scouts though, she was asked several times to come in for test shots as her look was “strong, different and current”.

@Anonmousse Absolutely. To me every non-binary pupil I teach is someone I was like as a teen - no make up, short hair, wore non-feminine clothing. I still knew I was a woman. My first boyfriend was a metal head. He had long hair and wore eyeliner. He was just a lad who had king hair and wore eyeliner.

My daughter was born with no hair. Not a single strand. Did she identify as a snooker ball? No.

She didn't get enough hair to do anything sensible with until she was about 4, and brushing it was a nightmare, I can't imagine the trauma of putting it in pigtails (for me or her - try pigtails all day yourself, I did for fancy dress at work recently, owww oww owww), but did I chop off her mop of straggly hair into a short back and sides and assume she wanted to be a boy? No.

How can one make an stand/intervention into appalling situations like this?

It’s so much easier for a small child to be ‘trans’. Physically their body shape is similar, faces are chubby, etc... yes you could have out a dress in DS up to maybe 4 and he could have looked very much like a girl!

This experiment to show how adults treat young children differently according to their perceived sex is worth watching:

Girl toys vs boy toys: The experiment - BBC Stories

It’s so much easier for a small child to be ‘trans’. Physically their body shape is similar, faces are chubby, etc... yes you could have out a dress in DS up to maybe 4 and he could have looked very much like a girl!

For this same child to hit the age when a child’s sex is much more obvious (and obviously puberty) is likely to be one hell of a shock to the child. I wonder if this is explained to them - nature will do what nature does. It would be pretty traumatic surely?

Agree with the poster who made the point about teens having a more fixed view of gender than us oldies. I’m a secondary teacher - teens are obsessed with labelling their gender or sexuality. I feel like screaming wear what you want and fuck who you want (if it’s legal and consensual) but I can’t cos I’ll be sacked and/or arrested.

100% agree
I think it's a really big topic for teens. My teen DD is always talking about such and such at school who is non binary etc.
I almost feel things have gone backwards and instead of saying you dont have to be defined by gender, and that you can and should wear what you like, do activities you prefer (rather than those stereotypically assigned male/female) and aspire for the career you want, we're creating a "different" category.
Non binary in that you identify as neither male or female suggests all males feel, think or dress a certain way and so do all females.
In the 80s Boy george, Adam Ant, Annie Lennox , new Romantic era all pushed boundaries in terms of clothes, make up and fashion - would they be non binary now?

The impact on some teenage boys was raised by Kellie Jay Keen in an article for Lesbian and Gay News:

(extract)
"Their boys were mostly neurodiverse and as such struggled to make positive male peer bonds at school. They were othered. They were the locker room fodder for the boys in their school who conformed to type. They felt different, isolated, and alienated.

These boys ‘can’t perform maleness in the way other boys can’ and so they retreat from the stereotypical masculinity they encounter in the locker room. Ultimately, they look for another answer, and often find it in a culture that tells them they will be happier being female.

There were the ‘gentle types who feel uncertain of where they fit in the world’, as psychotherapist and writer Stella O’Malley, described." (continues)
lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/02/kellie-jay-keen-the-locker-room-has-a-lot-to-answer-for/

This is awful. My 4 year old son WAS Anna from Frozen for many months. I still knew he was a boy.

Agree with the poster who made the point about teens having a more fixed view of gender than us oldies. I’m a secondary teacher - teens are obsessed with labelling their gender or sexuality. I feel like screaming wear what you want and fuck who you want (if it’s legal and consensual) but I can’t cos I’ll be sacked and/or arrested.

My DD is 9 and DS 6. I do worry about what role models they’ll have as they grow up. I do not want them fashioning theirselves on vacuous influencers who perpetuate gender rigid roles. At the moment DS’ fave person is Freddie Mercury as we watched ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ a month ago. Funnily enough when Freddie kissed Jim he didn’t bat an eyelid but when Freddie said ‘fuck’ his eyes widened and he giggled at me.

I do not remember the 90s being like this - I’m so old!

We buy a mix. I find the boy brands are longer (Ds is enormous) and harder wearing. The girls bits are much more creative with design and colour. If we ever have a girl we'll reuse anything he doesn't destroy

My nearly 10year old DD prefers boy shorts as they actually contain fabric rather than resembling pants... (She has disproportionately long legs so the girl styl3s can look ridiculous....)

I have a dinosaur t-shirt on today.

My younger DD is upset over her favourite dinosaur 'skeleton' being broken in our recent house move.

We are all still female. It's just our preferences...

(And their father is currently drinking his tea out of the pink mini mouse mug as it was at the front of the cupboard...)

Is the Let's Toys be Toys campaign still around?

People would sometimes call DS a girl. He had the more enormous eyes and huge curls - a very pretty baby and toddler. He survived...

Ooohhh how cute! What’s her name?
Bill (but real name but very much a ‘boy’ name)
Ahhhhook at those curls! Isn’t she lucky?
Yes he is
Awww darling - can I have one of your curls, wee girl?

Also it was the norm to dress children in pass downs. If that meant wearing a big brother's clothes so be it.
I actually bought quite a few "boy" clothes for my DD when she was a toddler, reasoning they were practical and comfortable and if I had a boy in the future they would be suitable for him too.

When I take ds swimming, he's got a lovely baby blue body suit. It's got pink jellyfish and blue whales on it.
He invariably gets called a girl. This is either because he's super beautiful (I think so) or sexist stereotypes mean the instructor can't imagine a boy in pink.
I just let her get on with it. She calls him she. I figure he might benefit from sexism at times as people may treat him more gently.
Of course, if I contacted the mail I could steal that title for him. He does like rabbits and daisies after all.
Good thing we're not sexist idiots.

How has this backwards, sexist way of thinking become something that some people see as progressive, it’s ridiculous.

THIS

Exactly. My parents in to 70s and 80s:

“This is toffeebutterpopcorn-sister - she’ll have the blue truck and the robot duvet please.”
“Toffee-sister - was it the cowboys or space theme you wanted for your birthday party?”
“Look! They do dungarees with cars!”

Were you around in the 80’s? I was a teen then and a lot of the posters on this thread we’re around then. The 80’s was the time of gender diversity and freedom. Not now. Now is the time of the patriarchy.

*I think its lovely. Children can be children and find their own way over time.

I do love gender diverse people - it is awesome as it messes around with the patriarchy and society structures which are just constructions*

Those of us who grew up in the 70’s and 80’s all had short hair and wore dungarees. There was a big backlash against the 50’s housewife constraints and mothers who dressed their little girls in delicate dresses and long hair were seen as not moving with the times.

We were all “gender diverse”. Google Marilyn, Culture Club, Adam Ant, even Duran Duran. A man wasn’t a man without eyeliner and a few plaits.

The problem now is we’ve gone back to very rigid gender roles. There is no crossover. So no “gender diverse” doesn’t mean challenging stereotypes and boys playing with dolls while girls become firefighters.

It means anyone who has interests outside their own gender must be trans or non binary. Their sex must change if they don’t strictly adhere to societal gender ideas.

That is not gender diverse, or progressive.

If you want to wear dresses and makeup, whatever sex you were born, go for it. That’s progressive. Wearing a dress and insisting dresses are for girls, therefore you are a woman with a ladypenis, that is conforming to gender roles rigidly.

Her parents have even given her a stereotypical media-driven fashionable boy’s haircut.

There's nothing wrong with a girl having a 'boy's haircut', just as there's nothing wrong with a boy having long hair.

What's wrong with this is the parents reinforcing the idea that having a 'boy's haircut' and playing with 'boys' toys' turns a girl into a boy. At the age of 4, this child almost certainly thinks this is true. See this article:
medium.com/@katieja/young-children-reality-sex-and-gender-3421f4f165f1

So, based on the idea that girls have long hair and boys have short hair, James is also age-perfect in thinking that when appearance changes, sex changes too. Until the age of about 7 (yes, 7 — in some children it’s older) children think that when something changes its appearance, its underlying reality changes too. This doesn’t just apply to sex, it applies to pretty much everything.

The parents, being older than 7, should understand that people can't change sex, and shouldn't be teaching their children that they can.

H2O Ah, I get it. Bit exclusionary though, I though we were all for inclusiveness these days?

How about let them be parents, and let their child have the freedom to explore. Play with toys they want, dress how they want. Or be a child without such patriarchal boundaries being enforced.

Good fucking grief. This is exactly what they're NOT doing.

“MishyJDI

God all of you lot sitting in judgement on these parents and the child, without knowing the situation.

How about let them be parents, and let their child have the freedom to explore. Play with toys they want, dress how they want. Or be a child without such patriarchal boundaries being enforced.

I think its lovely. Children can be children and find their own way over time.

I do love gender diverse people - it is awesome as it messes around with the patriarchy and society structures which are just constructions. That breaks down boundaries moreso than GC conservatism enforcing out dated norms using fear based rhetoric. “

They are not being parents - they are being narcissists.

The child has not been given freedom to explore as the baby girl child she was- she was turned into a false boy. She has been given no way to “ find her own way over time”.

All girls and women are already gender diverse in the wider sense of the word. Making this girl baby into a boy is enforcing a gender stereotype. Her parents have even given her a stereotypical media-driven fashionable boy’s haircut.

The father ( the patriarch literally) is the spokesman in all this. He is so patriarchally biased he has made his girl into a boy.

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