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Britain's youngest trans child

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poshme · 05/05/2021 11:36

Article in daily fail (sorry)

4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

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TheWeeDonkey · 10/05/2021 17:55

Thanks SuperShe I got to the point where thr mum was talking about going to the barbers and had to switch of for fear my eyeballs would roll out of my head.

NewlyGranny · 10/05/2021 17:42

Calling this little tacker Britain's youngest trans child risks starting a rush to claim the title, doesn't it? How long before the proud parents of an amazing, brave baby still in nappies and not yet walking are on national TV? I give it a month, tops

SuperShe · 10/05/2021 17:36

@stonecat it’s available on YouTube

Delphinium20 · 10/05/2021 17:09

Thanks for the link @R0wantrees !!

I have a friend I'd love to share this with, sadly, we are both walking on eggshells, unsure how to talk about her son who is clearly going through this. All I know is she is not the enthusiastic parent like the father shared by the OP and I hope I can gently share this with her.

MondayYogurt · 10/05/2021 16:58

@Toseland

This is a tragedy happening in front of us - this little girl is having her carefree childhood taken from her for utterly nonsensical reasons. She is being denied her chance to be raised as a girl and all the wonderful things that would bring her. It’s evil.
Yes but isn't it wonderful how much attention her parents are getting? Must feel really good to have so many people lauding their behaviour. Just lying there at night when the house is quiet, absolutely bathing in that feeling of being so very, very special and righteous.
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toffeebutterpopcorn · 10/05/2021 16:56

What else are they going to tell this child growing up? The twin will be confused too, telling other kids ‘that’s my brother’ .

Toseland · 10/05/2021 16:54

This is a tragedy happening in front of us - this little girl is having her carefree childhood taken from her for utterly nonsensical reasons. She is being denied her chance to be raised as a girl and all the wonderful things that would bring her. It’s evil.

NewlyGranny · 10/05/2021 16:31

This trend is feeding a whole industry, or industries. There are even tiny realistic silicone penis-and-scrotum sets in age sizes for parents to buy and pop in their child's knickers or swimsuit so they don't feel different from the other boys.

Can you imagine spotting and exploiting that niche market?!

TheWeeDonkey · 10/05/2021 16:22

Did the mother actually get a word in during that interview?
I thought the body language and facial expressions were very telling.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 10/05/2021 15:33

Its on the tv shows twitter. It doenst look like its going well for them. Did they really say that their two year old was explaining their sexuality to them? Red flags or what?

BruteForce · 10/05/2021 15:31

@HDDD

You can catch the parents on today's This Morning on the ITV player
I watched that.

WTAF is wrong with them? And the pandering/playing along by PS and HW.

I'm glad the health visitor had the sense to tell them not to ignore the child's biology (I'm pretty sure I heard the parent mention something like that but the phone started ringing).

HDDD · 10/05/2021 14:52

You can catch the parents on today's This Morning on the ITV player

R0wantrees · 08/05/2021 19:38

Delphinium20

Angus Fox has a four part series of articles, focussed on teen boys/ young men: quillette.com/author/angus-fox/

Also discussed here: gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/20-gender-dysphoria-in-boys-part-

Delphinium20 · 08/05/2021 19:29

@R0wantrees
Excellent article - that really resonated with the young men I know who are going through gender identity questioning.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 08/05/2021 18:29

When I was a child it wasn’t unusual for a girl to have a short ‘boy haircut’. I suppose it was neater and easier to care for.

ScrollingLeaves · 08/05/2021 18:28

“OldCrone

Her parents have even given her a stereotypical media-driven fashionable boy’s haircut.

There's nothing wrong with a girl having a 'boy's haircut', just as there's nothing wrong with a boy having long hair.“

OldCrone, I didn’t express that very well.
It was not the short hair I was remarking on.
It was the hairstyle itself which expresses a popular/fashionable macho identity not just an everyday typical short “ boys’ “ hair cut.

The opposite equivalent would be giving a trans girl/girl toddler a rather adult hairstyle and mascara.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 08/05/2021 18:27

I’m tall, that’s how it is.

When I was younger I wanted to be smaller so that I didn’t stand out so much (I was a small child and started school a early so I was always the tiddler in the class until I got to about 15 then I got tall and add to that rather large boobs - I wanted to disappear).

I’m sure if I told my parents that I was desperate to be small, they would have said ‘tough luck, what can you do, thems the breaks, live with it...’.

SugarPlumber · 08/05/2021 18:23

What puzzles me the most is how anyone can feel it's ethical to medically support these parents in the abuse of their child.

Also four is a notch above toddler, you don't have grown up conversations with four year olds. You don't need to have a four year old to know that, you just need an iota of common sense.

Tambora · 08/05/2021 17:35

For two years my friend's dd went around on all fours barking because she wanted to be a dog. Good job her parents weren't the ones in the OP.

bluebluezoo · 08/05/2021 17:01

@salsmum

I think it’s probably the second half of your post- girl gets pissed off with having to sit and have her hair put in pigtails- didn’t we all hate having our hair brushed as kids?!), wearing sandals and being told to mind her pretty dress, being bought dollies and craft kits..

Sees her brother being allowed to wear practical clothes, play with trucks and fire engines, and decides that looks way more fun so she wants to be a boy like her brother.

I know when we were kids we used to discuss whether we wanted to be boys, the answer was always yes as boys got to do more fun stuff, have better jobs, play more sports. None of us wanted to be like our female role models, which was cooking, cleaning and keeping house while the boys got to do the interesting stuff and earn lots of money.

salsmum · 08/05/2021 16:27

I have identical 4 year old grandsons who obviously are very close and tend to want/ like the same stuff... if these twins attend different twin groups I wonder if there's maybe a set or two of identical boys that has made this child want to be more like an identical boy twin and appear to look exactly like her brother or has heard the parents chatting about identical twins which are often viewed as extra special.
When growing up every single month I had such painful periods that gave me the worse stomachs cramps and made me really sick, I used to curse being a girl and having to put up with the monthly pain and dreaded it.
I also saw that my brother ( 2 years older) was given a lot more freedom than me and while I stayed at home minding my younger brother ( mum was a widow so worked shifts) while my brother went out socialising etc I saw very clearly who got the best 'gender deal'. I'm so glad that I wasn't filled with hormones to change my sex etc as I love being a mum and grandma. These parents are wanting media fame and just trying to appear trendy and woke, ridiculous. HmmConfusedAngryAngry

Erikrie · 08/05/2021 16:15

Were you around in the 80’s? I was a teen then and a lot of the posters on this thread we’re around then. The 80’s was the time of gender diversity and freedom. Not now. Now is the time of the patriarchy.

Very true.

Thingybob · 08/05/2021 16:12

I noted that none of the trans organisations or the lobbyist mums retweeted this article which I'm sure they would have a couple of years ago.

Are they slowly seeing the light?

Claire4567 · 08/05/2021 15:32

My youngest is currently sporting 'boys' jeans and t-shirt, short cropped hair and a toy hunting rifle which she is using to shoot me, dh, her sister, the cat etc.... Does this mean she is actually a boy? Hmm

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