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Britain's youngest trans child

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poshme · 05/05/2021 11:36

Article in daily fail (sorry)

4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

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ScrollingLeaves · 10/05/2021 20:50

“DenisetheMenace
ScrollingLeaves

I recently asked after an acquaintance’s four year old son and was told quite seriously, “ Oh, X has transitioned” and how good his primary school (local, popular state funded) was being about it.“

Are you in the UK?“

Yes this was the U.K.

DenisetheMenace · 10/05/2021 20:42

crollingLeaves

I recently asked after an acquaintance’s four year old son and was told quite seriously, “ Oh, X has transitioned” and how good his primary school (local, popular state funded) was being about it.“

Are you in the UK?

Whatwouldscullydo · 10/05/2021 20:27

And asking a 4 year old every day if they think they're a boy or a girl!

What answer did they think they were going to get when the options were comfy joggers and t shirts and stereotypical girls clothes which are usually frilly itchy or impractical.

I've just watched that YouTube clip and honestly what a big deal they made out of the hair cut. Turning up late fir one then telling the other all about how their kid was transgender. I'm.sure all hair dressers right now are having to deal with situations that make them grimace some what. Bad roots and tangled messes and jobs which on sight will take longer than the appointment time. Hair dressers are often a but wary of drastic hair cuts aren't they ? Cos the parent has a go when the schools kick off about it as if the hair dresser should be aware if every dress code at every school.

Again another example of how there's just so much paranoia surrounding these situations. Everything's about them and their transgender child. Nothing to do with a natural caution that all hair dressers have when doing very drastic hair cuts ( haven't we all been asked if we were sure or advised that a particular style or colour wouldn't work with our hair type? )

Fizbosshoes · 10/05/2021 20:25

At the age stormy currently is, I cant understand why he needs to be identifying as a specific gender, or quizzed on it daily. I'm pretty sure if theyd just let "him" wear what he wanted, play with what he wanted and have a short hair cut most people wouldnt have batted an eyelid. Even if someone said "stormy, that's a nice name, is it a girls name or a boys name?" They could have said hed like it to be a boys name.
I've seen kids sometimes (probably age 10 and under) and not been 100% sure if that's a girl or boy, but most of the time I dont need to know, and it's fairly irrelevant to what they are doing (generally playing!)

SuperShe · 10/05/2021 20:16

@TheWeeDonkey

Apparently their child is an “intelligent boy who knows what these things means.”

I caught on that too SuperShe It felt like a total abdication of parental responsibility. I've got a son who can be very impulsive and headstrong and the idea that the parents are letting small children make all the big decisions opens the child up to so much harm.

Indeed @TheWeeDonkey Parents have a responsibility to safeguard and provide boundaries to their children. But in this instance, rather than allowing their child to be a child who wants to.... (I don’t know what it is their child did that was deemed to be a sure fire sign their child is transgender as they failed to provide a single behaviour), they have psychologically harassed him until he has been conditioned to say he is a boy. Shocking behaviour from the “parents”
AfternoonToffee · 10/05/2021 20:16

How on earth does the child come back from this? Would the parents accept it if the child wanted to be a girl again? Would the child be able to verbalise this? Would the parents ever think and go "wrong decision"?

The world has been told about this child, I can't see this ever coming out good whatever happens.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 10/05/2021 20:08

The boy wanted to be a dog when he was little. In the parlance of such kids...

“Mother dearest - it is my greatest wish, my dream as it were - to become, physically, an Alsatian (or German shepherd in common parlance). I say ‘physically’ because I have come to believe - after much soul searching, mediation and contemplation - that I am indeed, in spirit and essence - an Alsatian. I have taken the Liberty of making an appointment for you and myself at the Tavistock clinic. I believe we will find what I am looking for on these premises. Please be assured that this is not a fad - like when I was certain that I was Tinky Winky - but I was a mere 18 months then, and not yet fully mature to make such decisions. Please burn my outfit and do not serve me custard any more.

Now. Pedigree Chum for tea please. And a bowl of water freshly drawn from the downstairs lavatory...”

SuperShe · 10/05/2021 20:01

Such bad parenting @Rhannion. Tut tut. You should’ve contacted your local stables and gotten advice on how to house and look after a horse. And yes yes to those horse shoes. 😆 You’ve failed him by failing to validate him.

Tibtom · 10/05/2021 19:59

It always amazes me how advanced the reported language of these 2,3 or 4 year olds is.

LolaNova · 10/05/2021 19:51

I remember when I was about that age that I made myself a penis out of pink tissue paper and a rubber band 😂😂😂 My best friends were both boys and I thought I needed to be like them. I’m pretty sure this is a really normal developmental stage?

TheWeeDonkey · 10/05/2021 19:49

And asking a 4 year old every day if they think they're a boy or a girl! Shock

TheWeeDonkey · 10/05/2021 19:48

Apparently their child is an “intelligent boy who knows what these things means.”

I caught on that too SuperShe It felt like a total abdication of parental responsibility. I've got a son who can be very impulsive and headstrong and the idea that the parents are letting small children make all the big decisions opens the child up to so much harm.

babbaloushka · 10/05/2021 19:31

@Rhannion

It’s absolutely ridiculous , poor child. I saw that interview and my mum said remember when ds wanted to be a fire engine, not a fire man at that age, then he wanted to be a horse. Should we have painted him red or had horse shoes made?
Yes, obviously. You didn't validate his feelings and that's a high crime. You should have asked him every day whether he was horse, human or centaur and validated his equine feelings. Did I mention you needed to validate him?
Rhannion · 10/05/2021 19:26

It’s absolutely ridiculous , poor child. I saw that interview and my mum said remember when ds wanted to be a fire engine, not a fire man at that age, then he wanted to be a horse. Should we have painted him red or had horse shoes made?

SuperShe · 10/05/2021 19:10

What I picked up on was that thoughtout that clip, they didn’t say once what the child had said or done that made them think the child was transgender.
The mother said something like: “We treated him as any normal child, and it wasn’t till later it became apparent that we did need to address it and validate it.” Address what precisely? Validate what? Why is she unable to say what behaviours or words their child was displaying/saying which needed addressing and validating? Or is it simply that there was none?

She then also proceeds to say they told their child that “girls can be firewomen or footballers, but then after we started saying we need to do something about that.”
Again, do something about WHAT?? What was the child saying or doing that made you leap from saying girls can take up roles historically held predominantly by men to saying we need to contact Mermaid?

The mother also says she would ask the child “every other day, are you a boy or a girl, are you non binary?” Who the heck asks that sort of a question to a one year old? That poor child.

Apparently their child is an “intelligent boy who knows what these things means.” Oh really? Kids are born with knowledge on gender identity and non binary? Or has she brain washed that poor child with her constant harassment and psychologically “abused” him, by distorting the child’s reality, until they hear the answers they want? All simply because the child was possibly imitating the the brother?

What chance did that poor child have with parents like those two?

quiteathome · 10/05/2021 19:00

Good grief.

What the hell has gone wrong? When did we all need so much validation?

LostToucan · 10/05/2021 18:55

GoingThru no disrespect to your profession. People running to the press might want to think about how much personal information they divulge.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 10/05/2021 18:51

The HV was probably reported for high crimes and misdemeanours.

GoingThruTheMotions · 10/05/2021 18:35

Of course she is.
It's painful watching my profession being dragged through the mud like this.
At least the health visitor had her head screwed on.

LostToucan · 10/05/2021 18:28

"I haven't worked with young children before"

I think she was a teacher supporting older SEN children?

LostToucan · 10/05/2021 18:27

Ah, and here comes the grift.

GoingThruTheMotions · 10/05/2021 18:26

"I haven't worked with young children before"

No shit Sherlock.
The haircut I wanted him to have.

That is piss poor journalism.
Shame on ITV.

Thingybob · 10/05/2021 18:13

[quote SuperShe]@stonecat it’s available on YouTube

[/quote] Thank you for the link. The bit that stood out to me was the mother saying how they looked into it and contacted Mermaids!!!

Poor child

Chrysanthemum5 · 10/05/2021 18:06

Oh for goodness sake - constant talk about validation. And repeatedly asking a child if they are a boy, girl or non binary at age 2 1/2 is ridiculous. Plus the guff about telling the barbers the child is transgender so the barber can support the child's emotions is ridiculous.

stonecat · 10/05/2021 18:00

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