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Britain's youngest trans child

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poshme · 05/05/2021 11:36

Article in daily fail (sorry)

4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

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FuriousFemale · 05/05/2021 13:06

When DD was 4 she wanted all her hair cut off and to wear boys (and girls) clothes. Absolutely fine. We let her be who she wanted to be. At 4 years old there was no way we'd say she must be a boy because of how she wants to look and dress.

She very much thought of herself as a girl but just liked "boy stuff". She eventually grew her hair out and started liking pink because society rams it down our throats that that's what it is to be a girl. It makes me so angry that this bullshit is still going on today. The remarks we got such as "she can't wear that it's a boys jumper" really made me despair.

TableFlowerss · 05/05/2021 13:05

I bet they like the attention it gives them to make them feel like super cool lo parents sigh bet they’re turned vegan recently too 🙄 course that little girl won’t be messed up.......

PegPeople · 05/05/2021 13:04

@Ghislainedefeligonde

That’s just appalling. I skimmed the article as it’s so painful and predictable, but was there any mention of the mother? Stereotypes are so harmful. Those poor children Sad
Yes mum was mentioned in the article too but it seems to be only their father making public comments and being quoted.
Justhadathought · 05/05/2021 13:01

Is there a link to this article?

NecessaryScene1 · 05/05/2021 13:00

the idea of asking your small child at aged 2, 3, 4 whether they "feel like a girl" or "feel like a boy"

I don't think I would have been able to answer that at 4. I certainly can't at 10 times the age.

I can imagine maybe I would have given an answer, but only because I wasn't mature/knowledgeable enough to understand the true meaning of the question. Or rather its lack of meaning.

Or possibly, given 4-year-old logic, I would have given the answer that I thought would get me what I wanted. I don't think 4-year-olds are big on truth, but they're down with manipulation, if anyone is dim enough to be manipulated by a 4-year-old.

Ghislainedefeligonde · 05/05/2021 12:59

That’s just appalling. I skimmed the article as it’s so painful and predictable, but was there any mention of the mother?
Stereotypes are so harmful. Those poor children Sad

Whatsnewpussyhat · 05/05/2021 12:56

@Fernlake

'I am so proud that he knows who he is and isn't constrained by societal norms and prejudices. We can all learn something from this small boy and I learn every day. Everyone is different.'

Dear God. A girl who doesn't like pigtails.

He added in the post: 'We all need accept that people are different and not try to force those around us to fit into a box that suits us.

He can't be this stupid.

They genuinely never ever see the fucking irony in their bullshit do they.

'Yay, my girl doesn't want to be constrained by the social norms and prejudices that we have enforced upon her by demonstrating so clearly that her brother is treated differently because of his sex, so we are forcing her into the boy box because that suits us.....'

Gingerkittykat · 05/05/2021 12:56

'Accepting people for who they are is the only way to encourage innovation, embrace growth and harness the best in everyone. I have permission from my son to post this. He is proud of who he is

Your daughter is 4, she cannot meaningfully consent to being in a national newspaper.

This reminds me of the Rogers family. I know the family and know that the child is now living with his biological dad after being removed from his dad and stepparent and is a boy again.

3scape · 05/05/2021 12:54

I'm very bothered by parents whose child had to have A Conversation with them in order to be able to play with what they want. How unresponsive and cold of them.

AssassinatedBeauty · 05/05/2021 12:52

I can't understand, as an adult and a parent, the idea of asking your small child at aged 2, 3, 4 whether they "feel like a girl" or "feel like a boy" in response to them making a statement about being a boy/girl. Especially if they have opposite sex siblings. It is simply an opportunity to explain that they are a boy/girl and that boys/girls have different bodies and that none of that matters when it comes to clothes, playing, friendships, colours etc etc.

As for the parent "asking permission" to post photos on LinkedIn and elsewhere... it beggars belief. A nursery aged child cannot possibly understand the consequences of such publicity nor be responsible for making the decision.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 05/05/2021 12:46

A female toddler notices that male twin is treated differently, wants to play with the same toys and asks to wear comfy clothes.

The ONLY response to this should surely be 'ok' play with ANY toy, wear what you like, not tell the child they must be a boy.

I bet they would've done the same if their son had asked to wear pigtails and push a pram.

Roonerspismed · 05/05/2021 12:46

I know a parent like this. They have honestly ruined their kids and social services too scared to touch.

LadyBuffOfBuffdonia · 05/05/2021 12:43

How have the parents not considered that the 'pretty' clothes were uncomfortable and less practical than the boys' section. Kids consider these things high priority.
Stupid, stupid parents.

Fernlake · 05/05/2021 12:40

@Beowulfa

I might order this, sounds interesting: www.waterstones.com/book/fire-woman/josephine-reynolds/9781782436997

The Daily Wail are many things, but not stupid. They knew this story would get this kind of response. All sunlight on madness.

I'm hoping you're right. There can't be many people this ridiculous. And they are highlighting it.

(comments are turned on now btw)

poshme · 05/05/2021 12:40

@AssassinatedBeauty

What I can never fathom is the decision to publicise the child's life in this really intrusive way. I wouldn't dream of putting the life of my 4 year old child into the public eye in this way, I cannot see any explanation for why it's appropriate or helpful. It seems to be more about attention for the parents than for the wellbeing of the child.
Yes. I can't imagine doing this to my kids. Google-able forever.
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Fernlake · 05/05/2021 12:39

'I am so proud that he knows who he is and isn't constrained by societal norms and prejudices. We can all learn something from this small boy and I learn every day. Everyone is different.'

Dear God. A girl who doesn't like pigtails.

He added in the post: 'We all need accept that people are different and not try to force those around us to fit into a box that suits us.

He can't be this stupid.

Greenmarmalade · 05/05/2021 12:37

Strangely, sometimes the child says they are non-binary.

Is this father for real?

SirVixofVixHall · 05/05/2021 12:36

The idiocy of this.
How many children will be collateral damage in this movement ?
I know someone with a “non binary” ten year old. 🙄

PegPeople · 05/05/2021 12:36

Do they really think this would have happened if both twins had been girls? She wants to be just like her brother, that doesn't make her a boy, it just means that at age 4 she wants to be like her brother.

Of course it wouldn't have happened if they were both girls as its clear from the pictures and their comments that had they had 2 girls they wouldn't have ever brought them trucks, cars, fire fighter/police dress up clothing or any other 'boys' toy. They would have only been allowed to dress head to toe in pink and purple, play with dolls or wear princess dresses.

Greenmarmalade · 05/05/2021 12:36

Interested in firefighters? What is this?! So incredibly sexist.

Who knew that all female firefighters were, in fact, men. Transmen.

eurochick · 05/05/2021 12:35

When my child was 4 she maintained for many months that she was a cat. I did not make her eat on the floor and shit in a box. Ffs. The world has gone mad. She is FOUR!

Bakingdiva · 05/05/2021 12:33

Well I can beat that. My 20 month old son has a screaming tantrum if I won't let him wear my head bands, always wants to play with his sisters dolls and loves his PINK scuttlebug - clearly he's a girl.

Or in the real world he's just a little child experimenting and playing with everything he wants to, there are no 'boys toys and girls toys' just interesting things.

Tal45 · 05/05/2021 12:33

Do they really think this would have happened if both twins had been girls? She wants to be just like her brother, that doesn't make her a boy, it just means that at age 4 she wants to be like her brother. At age 14 she's just as likely to want to be just like the most current female pop star.

CaveMum · 05/05/2021 12:32

It’s one of two things for the parents - a desperation to have a “speshul” child or raging misogyny/homophobia.

With an added side of the need for very public validation.

powershowerforanhour · 05/05/2021 12:30

Looks like they gender stereotyped the bejasus out of both children from birth.

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