Britain's youngest trans child

Well we're fucked. My 2 year old thinks she's a dinosaur.

I understand there are adult transgender people who feel deeply that they wish to be perceived as men/women but when it comes to kids it all comes down to whether or not they like pink and sparkles and that just seems like sexist nonsense to me. I’m really trying to understand it but I can’t.

You can't understand it because as you've so eloquently described when it comes to children every single time it always boils down to them not playing with the toys often ascribed to their sex or wearing clothes which would be worn predominantly by children of their sex. It's always she liked cars and wanted short hair so she is obviously a boy or he liked wearing an elsa dress and playing with my make up so he's now a girl.

Makes me feel ill that people like this guy can get away with claiming they’re putting their child’s well-being first, when really they’re just lapping up all the attention they’re getting for throwing the poor kid under the bus.

I'm sure there's something about young children's development stage that they assume every question a grown up asks them must have an answer. So if you ask them "do you feel like a boy or a girl?" they just assume this is a meaningful question and they must feel like one or the other. But children will also respond the same way if asked questions like "do you feel like an apple or an orange?", "is the sky covered in stripes or spots?", "do you want squigpops or zigbots for dinner later?" They just don't have the developmental ability to distinguish meaningful questions with real answers from nonsense questions with no answer.

Okay I’ve read the article now. Still yikes.

Asking the kid if they’re actually a boy is a leading question. And I never liked “pigtails or pretty shoes” in my entire life! And frequently get pissed off with long hair and cut it all off!

I understand there are adult transgender people who feel deeply that they wish to be perceived as men/women but when it comes to kids it all comes down to whether or not they like pink and sparkles and that just seems like sexist nonsense to me. I’m really trying to understand it but I can’t.

From the DM article We all need accept that people are different and not try to force those around us to fit into a box that suits us.

Except their child didn't fit in the 'girl' box
Instead of just encouraging her to be who she wanted to be, they forced her into a 'boy' box instead.

So sickeningly sexist, those poor kids, both of them.

It's one thing allowing your child to wear what they want, call themselves whatever they're comfortable with etc. But actually asking for a referral to a gender assignment clinic? That is abuse. I hope social services are involved, but sadly they've probably jumped on the 'woke' wagon too.

He's just a normal child, he likes a variety of things with no regard for which sex they're "coded" for. I'm certain that most children are like this if you let them.

This is certainly what I've seen in children. They start out liking what they like and not caring what others think. Then no matter how hard you try at home, external influences start creeping in and they suddenly reject something they used to love because they've been told it's for the opposite sex. Or in this case it seems they've been told it actually makes them the opposite sex

And why on earth are GPs referring to gender clinics at the age of 4?

"Get these loony parents out of my office"?

The attention and praise parents get is ridiculous and fueling the idea than children can be born in the wrong body. I see it in every FB group I'm in. A parenting group parents are posting that they regularly ask their child are they a boy or a girl. The ones with a 'trans' child are hailed as brave and incredible
Even in my crochet group a poster said she had been asked to crochet a binder for a friend's 'son'. Hundreds of comments saying how wonderful it is, tears of joy
It's ridiculous. Any negative comments get a pile on and result in being kicked out of the group

That article is ridiculous. And why on earth are GPs referring to gender clinics at the age of 4?

Absolutely ridiculous. Poor child.
My son used to head straight for the princess dresses at nursery and still has a penchant for jewellery and make up. He’s obsessed with cute animals and mainly plays with girls at school.
Remind me to have a grown up conversation with him and see if he feels like a girl or a boy. Ffs.

Classic case of narcissistic parents using their child as an attention seeking object.

It's so messed up. I cannot fathom how people find it easier to believe that their child is somehow the opposite sex despite that being impossible, than that they just don't conform to feminine or masculine stereotypes. My 4 year old son went through a phase a few months back of saying he wished he was a girl so he could grow baby in his tummy and be a mummy some day. We had a chat about how boys and girls bodies are different but both are equally special and amazing, and talked about how there's nothing I do as his mum that his dad doesn't also do. He was happy with that and now seems to have forgotten about it. He also loves feminine things which is 100% fine by me. He was sat the other day dressed in his my little pony pjs, cuddling his my little pony soft toys, watching my little pony. My main goal is for him to know that he can love pink and sparkles and dolly's and dressing up as a fairy etc and not need to claim to be anything other than a perfectly normal 4 year old boy. He also love building and lego and messy play and whatever else. He's just a normal child, he likes a variety of things with no regard for which sex they're "coded" for. I'm certain that most children are like this if you let them. Makes me sick to think that there are people out there who would take these perfectly normal preferences and use them to justify questioning if he's somehow really a girl. Absolutely disgusting.

The couple spent a long time trying to clarify if Stormy was certain he was not a girl, but by his third birthday, they accepted their child's identity

What utter nonsense! Children this age simply do not have the conceptual tools, nor is any sense of stable social identity until about 7 years of age. All identities are social in origin, and rely very much on what is presented in the environment. The parents have created and shaped this all by themselves, out of their own unconscious expectations and beliefs.

Christ this is grim.

Thank fuck I wasn't their child, I was a very boisterous tom boy (now a very feminine woman and mother)

I knew a parent who had a transchild at a similar age (maybe a little bit older). I'm not sure of the current status, I got blocked on SM ages ago, for being, well I'm not quite sure what, possibly objecting to being called c*s. Full on social transition.

Münchausen syndrome by proxy.
The parents should be reported to social services.

As a cm i would love a grown up conversation with the pre school children- have no expectation of it though.

I have had children want to be unicorns, witches, and one crawl down my path barking.

I had one girl.dinosaur crazy- now she loves anything like princess's , dolls, anything pink. It changes because they are deveoping.

My own ds planned to be Captain of the octopod at that age.

He refused to wear pretty shoes. It got to the point where he was upset about being forced to wear them

The child being a twin seeks closeness with the sibling, yet the parents are treating them differently based on their sex; and clearly have some quite traditional gendered expectations. The child also senses that sibling has more freedom around play, and less restrictive clothing . the child wants to be the same as the sibling. to be treated the same. The father most likely has a secret preference for a son.

That was purely full of stereotypes.

If the kid doesn't like "pretty shoes" then don't make them wear "pretty shoes " . I've yet to meet a baby/toddler who doesn't remove items of clothing that are scratchy or getting in the way of playing. That's why you send them.to pre school in joggers amd leggings and t shirts.

Its perfectly normal.behaviour ffs

Bet they’re turned vegan recently too

Can we have a little less vegan hate. I mean, apart from it having nothing to do with trans ideology, eating less meat and more veg has lots of benefits, there's logic to reducing your meat intake. There's no logic for increasing your interaction with harmful stereotypes.

Just for the record we vegans often sidestep the vegan cat scenario by keeping herbivores.

Link to article (taken from above):

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9544807/Father-trans-boy-4-says-people-insist-calling-son-girl.html

This is what unfiltered comments look like:

twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1389886608309211137

We asked 'are you just not a girl, or are you a boy?' Both myself and my wife have fairly grown up conversations quite regularly about his gender

They have created this themselves. A child of two or three years old just does not have the conceptual tools to think in that way. They have created a binary, and then asked the child to state a preference - entirely based on clothing, hair styles and preferred toys.

But they think they are being radical and free of gendered assumptions. Crazy!

I see it quite a lot where i live, that mothers try to create pig tails out of their baby daughter's tiniest amount of soft baby hair. It must be incredibly uncomfortable for the child, and just looks ridiculous.

Why are people doing this? And what is with the pink/blue business. It really wasn't like this in the 1970's to the extent it is now. And back then girls would have all manner of hair styles, not just long, as now seems to be almost uniformly the case.

I don't get this. If she wants to wear "boys" clothes, dress up as a firefighter and have short hair that is fine as a girl!

My friends dd is what we used to call a tomboy, a friend in her class (age7) suggested she wasn't a girl and she should become a boy, i despair. Kids should be allowed to be kids and dress gender neutral if they prefer.