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Britain's youngest trans child

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poshme · 05/05/2021 11:36

Article in daily fail (sorry)

4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

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AssassinatedBeauty · 05/05/2021 14:40

Indeed, I was significantly more gender nonconforming than this child at this age and onwards, and was vocally persistent about the fact that I wanted to grow up to be a boy. Was I a trans child also?

Beowulfa · 05/05/2021 14:40

They do it because there are so many people out there in the world like the posters on this thread. They are trying to show the world that their son is not someone to be hated.

Can you please point out any post that has expressed hatred towards this four year old? I can only see pity and empathy, mainly borne out by women who remember playing with a range of toys in their childhood and feeling horrified that they may have ended up on extreme medication for this completely normal state of affairs.

Children should not be tools in the adult obsession with gender ideology. Not everything is about you and your issues. This is just a kiddy wanting to play with fun stuff.

Stroopwaffle5000 · 05/05/2021 14:39

@Mumoftwoinprimary

I have a “trains” child.

When he was 4 he announced that his name was Thomas (as in Tank Engine) and refused to answer to anything else. He also said “choo choo” and “chugga chugga” a lot.

Should I have had his legs amputated and him fitted with wheels instead?

🤣🤣🤣 Brilliant!
Shizuku · 05/05/2021 14:39

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Sirzy · 05/05/2021 14:38

If a child wants to climb trees - let them

If they want to cover themselves in glitter - let them

If they want to be a firefighter when they grow up - brilliant

If they want to be a unicorn when they grow up - brilliant

What’s not brilliant is trying to use any of those things to create a much deeper issue. IF - and it’s a very very big if - the child is trans then that will stay with them and there is no need to rush at anything. Just let them be a 4 year old and enjoy the innocence of life at 4 rather than trying to push them into a box

Helleofabore · 05/05/2021 14:35

They are trying to show the world that their son is not someone to be hated

And no one person is saying that either of their children is someone to be hated.

In fact, many of us are saying as young females, this would be us. It certainly was me.

And tell us exactly how a child this young can be reliably diagnosed as trans? And your evidence please.

PaleGreenGhost · 05/05/2021 14:32

So you think the parents did the right thing? If you knew me, would you report me to social services for not going down this route?

AssassinatedBeauty · 05/05/2021 14:32

You'd have to be willfully blind, @Shizuku, to think that anyone on this thread hates a 4 year old child.

Shizuku · 05/05/2021 14:27

@AssassinatedBeauty

What I can never fathom is the decision to publicise the child's life in this really intrusive way. I wouldn't dream of putting the life of my 4 year old child into the public eye in this way, I cannot see any explanation for why it's appropriate or helpful. It seems to be more about attention for the parents than for the wellbeing of the child.
They do it because there are so many people out there in the world like the posters on this thread. They are trying to show the world that their son is not someone to be hated.
InvisibleDragon · 05/05/2021 14:25

Oh wow, this is depressing.

Children of that age base their understanding of gender on external appearances. So asking (repeatedly) if Stormy is a boy or a girl is essentially asking them if they want to wear pink dresses and pigtails and play with dolls, or
wear trousers and play with the fire engine.

How 3-year olds think about gender:

3-year old Vs 10-year old on gender constancy:

(With thanks to Katie Alcock for highlighting these videos)

PaleGreenGhost · 05/05/2021 14:23

I honestly thought that stories like this might make more people pause. And this one in the Guardian last year:

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/15/trans-transgender-children-gender-family-project

If a person could read these stories and not see the problems, I wouldn't even know how to begin a conversation with them. Both the Guardian and the Mail articles very much speak for themselves, written with little critical analysis of trans ideology. But the social and environmental reasons for each child's decision are loud and clear. You don't need to be a feminist to see them, do you? This is all about the parents and their homophobia and sexism.

It is weird knowing that my own child would have been whisked to the GP for a Tavi referral by any of these parents. In fact my own child has made statements far more indicative of gender dysphoria than any of the children featured.

Fernlake · 05/05/2021 14:21

Worryingly she has told me that among her friends there is a desire to have had some trauma in your background as a sort of badge of honour.

A friend of mine adopted a little girl aged six. She was asked, among other things about her own childhood. And she said she had the devil of a job persuading them that it was fairly peaceful and happy.

Emmelina · 05/05/2021 14:20

Poor kid. I was climbing trees and insisted my mum cut my hair to collar length at that age, so glad it wasn’t a ‘thing’ in the eighties to transition your child for not following stereotypes! Someone needs to intervene.

PegPeople · 05/05/2021 14:14

Worryingly she has told me that among her friends there is a desire to have had some trauma in your background as a sort of badge of honour. Apparently it is just not fashionable to have had a fairly stable upbringing or to have good self esteem.

I can well believe that. It's similar to shows like x factor. When it started it was enough that you were a good singer and now to be in with a chance of doing well the ability to sing is secondary to the requirement that you need a very gripping back story, the more harrowing the better.

NursePye · 05/05/2021 14:10

Jesus wept this is depressing. My 15 yr old DD was a tomboy par excellence. Never wanted princess dresses (or any dresses), nothing pink, has played football since she could walk, begged the teacher to be a shepherd instead of an angel in reception nativity and throughout primary all her close friends were boys. She now never wears skirts or dresses, doesn't wear any make up and still loves football. She's often said that she won't go to the prom because she couldn't bear dressing up like the other girls.

She's never once had any confusion about the fact that she is a girl growing into a woman.

Interestingly enough many of her contemporaries are now coming out as non-binary and these are exclusively the girls who grew up loving the princess dresses etc, having the pamper parties aged 7 etc etc.

Thankfully she finds this whole trend baffling and is quite aware of the importance of biology. As she said to me "shame I can't identify out of my horrendous periods isn't it!".

Worryingly she has told me that among her friends there is a desire to have had some trauma in your background as a sort of badge of honour. Apparently it is just not fashionable to have had a fairly stable upbringing or to have good self esteem.

Wonder when all this will end ...Hmm

DumplingsAndStew · 05/05/2021 14:09

The photos of the toddler 'living as a girl' show how deeply sexist this couple are - pretty pink princess in flouncy skirts with sparkly pigtails.

This is clearly an extension of their inbuilt gender stereotyping.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/05/2021 14:05

Münchausen syndrome by proxy.
The parents should be reported to social services.

I agree. And social services should absolutely have the integrity to challenge this and not avoid it because they don't want to deal with it.

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/05/2021 14:04

I pity any child that is told that an activity or toy or clothing is 'not for them' due to being for the opposite sex when it is only stereotypes that are enforcing that and no other reason at all

Its all such a middle class first world thing.

Anyone who grew up poor and had to wear clothes that were handed down, well if u didn't wear the "boys coat" you'd have frozen. Either that or your parents would have smacked your arse (or time out these days) for being so silly. There wasn't the money to indulge this. I doubt kids who grew up hungry and wearing their cousins old clothes were worried about expressing their gender.

Helleofabore · 05/05/2021 14:00

HelpMeRhondaYeah

Indeed. It would seem like there is some sort of expectation of you to be asked it or having the 'adult conversation' about it.

Helleofabore · 05/05/2021 13:59

@FuriousFemale

He's just a normal child, he likes a variety of things with no regard for which sex they're "coded" for. I'm certain that most children are like this if you let them.

This is certainly what I've seen in children. They start out liking what they like and not caring what others think. Then no matter how hard you try at home, external influences start creeping in and they suddenly reject something they used to love because they've been told it's for the opposite sex. Or in this case it seems they've been told it actually makes them the opposite sex

This is absolutely the case.

They meet a new friend and all of sudden, their tastes change, they go to school and see what other's are doing, they suddenly change again.

I pity any child that is told that an activity or toy or clothing is 'not for them' due to being for the opposite sex when it is only stereotypes that are enforcing that and no other reason at all.

poshme · 05/05/2021 13:58

DD has decided recently that whenever she is going at a speed faster than slow walking she is going to make a sound as if she is a motorbike/car cornering at great speeds.
It's very annoying. (She's 9). She tells us she's a fast car.

I have so far restrained myself from putting petrol in her bowl.

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HelpMeRhondaYeah · 05/05/2021 13:56

I imagine it would feel pretty unsafe to a toddler, to be asked regularly by their parents whether they're a boy or a girl. Parents are supposed to know stuff at that age, especially important stuff like the sex of their child.

Tlollj · 05/05/2021 13:56

This is child abuse. No other words for it.
Attention seeking parents using their child to further their own narcissism.

persistentwoman · 05/05/2021 13:55

This is a safeguarding issue. Sadly social care / the NSPCC have been so captured by the adult lobby groups that they dare not carry out their statutory safeguarding responsibilities to investigate adults who state that because their 4 year old daughter doesn't like pigtails and wants to be a firefighter, they must therefore be a boy and set for a life time of drugs and surgery.
That child has been abandoned by society.

HelpMeRhondaYeah · 05/05/2021 13:54

So they're gaslighting a four-year-old, all ready for when said four-year-old eventually hits puberty and gets a horrible, massive shock (and/or a lifetime of medication and sexual problems), under huge and largely avoidable social pressure. And they're setting the kid up for at least a number of years of inevitably feeling they have to hide things - which is terrible, psychologically.

This is very, very sad.

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