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Britain's youngest trans child

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poshme · 05/05/2021 11:36

Article in daily fail (sorry)

4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

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YessicaHaircut · 05/05/2021 15:19

The caption on this photo from the article is just mad. “Living as a female toddler” indeed. SS should be seriously concerned about this family.

Britain's youngest trans child
Soubriquet · 05/05/2021 15:18

Poor little girl

I bet there is preferential treatment with her brother which is why she wants to be a boy

HDDD · 05/05/2021 15:17

Dad to 4 year old "Can I post a story about you on LinkedIn"
"Course you can dad"
Of course this happened.

MiriamMargo · 05/05/2021 15:15

The poor children for this sick society. This is worst thing I have heard to date!

SingingSands · 05/05/2021 15:14

A lot of my childhood photos from age 4 show me in brown dungarees, with my favourite spider man figure and superman mug. My best friend was a boy called Gordon and we were inseparable. We climbed trees, dug holes for mud cakes, rode our bikes together, played in the woods behind our house and climbed on the diggers in the building site together.

We were just children, being children. And now it's so sad to see parents forcing children into boxes where they don't belong, putting words in their mouths that they don't understand and being so traditionally sexist.

TableFlowerss · 05/05/2021 15:12

@LadyBuffOfBuffdonia

*Bet they’re turned vegan recently too*

Can we have a little less vegan hate. I mean, apart from it having nothing to do with trans ideology, eating less meat and more veg has lots of benefits, there's logic to reducing your meat intake. There's no logic for increasing your interaction with harmful stereotypes.

Just for the record we vegans often sidestep the vegan cat scenario by keeping herbivores.

It’s not vegan hating, it’s illustrating that people follow tends to be seen as cool. The current on trend being ‘I’m a vegan’

Of course there are genuine vegans who have chosen that lifestyle regardless of its popularity. They are true vegans and I’ve got absolutely no issue at all. It’s a great way to live. These vegans aren’t jumping in band wagons and their motives are nothing to do with how they want society to see them.

That doesn’t mean however that all people who proclaim they are vegans, do it for the same reasons as genuine vegans. In other words they do it to follow the crowd and to be cool.

VickyEadieofThigh · 05/05/2021 15:12

@CaveMum

Vegan Cat Syndrome again.
OH YES.
ShortSilence · 05/05/2021 15:10

Oh, wait till he has grown up. If he detrainsitions, you'll fall over yourselves to praise him, if he doesn't, and dares instead to do something outrageous like campaign for trans rights - that's when the hate comes out.

But as it happens we want to talk about this child now, rather than waiting, because the parents have very deliberately opened the conversation now. While the child is tiny.

But literally nobody here has or ever would express hate towards a 4 yo, so I guess your only recourse was to try and jump the conversation onto a different, hypothetical track Hmm

yourhairiswinterfire · 05/05/2021 15:05

If you were depriving your child of the recommended treatment for a recognised medical condition, you're damned right I would report you to social services.

I'd report the shit out of any medical professional who tried to tell me my 4 yo disliking pigtails and liking firetrucks and police officers was a 'medical condition'. If they can't understand that that is just 4 year olds being 4 year olds, then...Hmm

H2OConnoisseur · 05/05/2021 15:04

I was a complete tomboy as a kid/teen and had many friends who were the same. If the situation then was as it is now, I'm pretty sure that I'd have been put on puberty blockers and eventually be convinced to transition. I'm currently in my late 20s, happy with myself, with ZERO desire to be male.

I believe this entire movement only seeks to reinforce gender stereotypes. It all feels extremely regressive to me tbh.

persistentwoman · 05/05/2021 15:04

A quick reminder of the reality of the negative long term impact of the untested medication being used on 'trans' children:
www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers-effects-bone-density/

What's it called when someone reverses safeguarding and accuses the adults concerned at the failure to safeguard a child of being safeguarding risks themselves?

Oh yes, DARVO - Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender

Erikrie · 05/05/2021 15:04

At least the tavi is more limited in what it can do now. Thanks to Keira Bell.

powershowerforanhour · 05/05/2021 15:01

We got a reply from Tavistock in Leeds to say he's registered with them, but they don't seem to do anything until they're 10, or they start puberty. Whichever comes first.

What did he want the Tavi to "do", exactly?

BraveBananaBadge · 05/05/2021 14:56

This short film with Zoe Lyons popped up in my Facebook feed the other day, a cute campaign from a teaching union I think it is, against the idea of formal tests for four year olds. To paraphrase, ask a four-year-old a question three times and you'll get three different answers - let them be little kids and don't impose something on them so young that could have significant consequences.

I was quite amazed with it really, it's about something completely different of course, but the comparison with the affirming culture around trans kids is so stark.

AssassinatedBeauty · 05/05/2021 14:53

"Oh, wait till he has grown up. If he detrainsitions, you'll fall over yourselves to praise him, if he doesn't, and dares instead to do something outrageous like campaign for trans rights - that's when the hate comes out.

On the other hand, as people here are involved with campaigning for things like forcing trans kids to use toilets that match their birth certificates, despite the fact that it puts them at higher risk of sexual assault, some would argue that yes, you do hate trans kids:"

I sincerely hope that as she grows up, she is allowed to step out of the public eye and have a private life, so that none of us are able to comment one way or the other. The DM is the world's most visited online newspaper site.

In the UK, children in the UK at school should by law be provided with toilets separated by sex when they are aged 8 and over, except where the toilet is provided in a room that can be secured from
the inside and that is intended for use by one child at a time. A child aged 4 would be using mixed sex toilets in a UK nursery or school. I seriously doubt that anyone here is campaigning for any changes to that. There is no evidence in the UK that children are at higher risk of sexual assault in school if they are not allowed to choose which sex toilet facilities to use.

StillFemale · 05/05/2021 14:53

Yikes

Guess that kid realised how much better boys are treated early on

Erikrie · 05/05/2021 14:52

you're damned right I would report you to social services.

You wouldn't get the response you desired from me if I was the safeguarding officer that picked up that phone at the other end.

BillyTodd · 05/05/2021 14:51

Once more for those who refuse to hear:

GC feminists don't hate trans people. We want them to be safe, happy and well.

We want women's safety, wellness and equity.

Erikrie · 05/05/2021 14:51

Why on earth would adults put adult issues on to a child. Transitioning a child of that age is a child protection issue.

Fernlake · 05/05/2021 14:51

If you were depriving your child of the recommended treatment for a recognised medical condition, you're damned right I would report you to social services.

The child is four and doesn't want pigtails. That's not a medical condition. 🙄

Nataliafalka · 05/05/2021 14:50

my DD only wore boys clothes, played football, had short hair and was only friends with boys and frequently told me she wanted to be a boy. I would say that this went from about 2 until about 11/12. She had no interest in anything girlie at all and idolised her big brother. fast forward to 15, she skateboards, wears baggy jeans a tshirts and she has really close boy friends but she's also a girl with long hair, crop tops and a good crowd of female friends. I could so easily have gone along with the trans route and she would have totally engaged with it but I never considered it because she was far too young to make those decisions for herself.

TheWeeDonkey · 05/05/2021 14:47

Shizuku you're pathologising a completely normal stage of development. All children explore their world through role play, its how they learn to understand the world they live in.

When you start making it an issue that's when it becomes a problem for the child

PegPeople · 05/05/2021 14:47

If you were depriving your child of the recommended treatment for a recognised medical condition, you're damned right I would report you to social services.

Nowhere does it indicate that's what this poster or multiple other posters are doing. What they are doing is allowing their children to develop into well rounded adults instead of chucking them onto treatments paths when they are little more than toddlers. Surely any sensible parent would adopt a watch and wait attitude and allow their child to wear and play with anything they like rather than allow a pre school aged child to make life changing decisions?

TheWeeDonkey · 05/05/2021 14:44

Exactly Sirzy Childrens creativity and imagination are amazing and they explore the world through play and role play.

Letting a child just be themselves and grow at their own pace is the best thing a parent can do for their child.

Shizuku · 05/05/2021 14:41

@PaleGreenGhost

So you think the parents did the right thing? If you knew me, would you report me to social services for not going down this route?
If you were depriving your child of the recommended treatment for a recognised medical condition, you're damned right I would report you to social services.
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