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Britain's youngest trans child

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poshme · 05/05/2021 11:36

Article in daily fail (sorry)

4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

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Twistiesandshout · 05/05/2021 16:14

@anguauberwaldironfoundersson

Well we're fucked. My 2 year old thinks she's a dinosaur.
Thank you, just made me laugh out loud despite this madness.
takingmytimeonmyride · 05/05/2021 16:09

I wanted to be boy from around 4, right through puberty (my periods started when I was 10, I hated it and wanted to be rid of them and my large breasts), till I was about 15. Fuck knows how my life would have been destroyed if I were a kid these days.

As it was my mum let me have short hair, choose whatever clothes and toys I wanted and let me do the same stuff as my brother.

I read through the criteria for gender dysphoria and would definitely have fulfilled it all as a child. Hell, even now I do! Which just shows how ridiculous and based on ridiculous gender stereotypes the whole thing is.

Timestablesaretables · 05/05/2021 16:05

@Mumoblue

Okay I’ve read the article now. Still yikes.

Asking the kid if they’re actually a boy is a leading question. And I never liked “pigtails or pretty shoes” in my entire life! And frequently get pissed off with long hair and cut it all off!

I understand there are adult transgender people who feel deeply that they wish to be perceived as men/women but when it comes to kids it all comes down to whether or not they like pink and sparkles and that just seems like sexist nonsense to me. I’m really trying to understand it but I can’t.

The developmental questionnaire that my health visitor did with my daughter afe 3 asked this. I have an electronic copy (question 5)
Britain's youngest trans child
Britain's youngest trans child
Britain's youngest trans child
BillGigolo · 05/05/2021 16:03

This kind of thing feels dangerously regressive. Why can’t you like trucks etc and still be a girl?

My 3.5 year old DS has been carrying a baby doll around with him. He knows that doesn’t make him a girl! He shouts I’m a boy for no apparent reason all the time!

cooldarkroom · 05/05/2021 16:01

Oh God,
My Mother used to love telling people I'd said, "When I grow up I will be a boy"
I had 2 brothers, didn't like dresses, wore jeans, had short hair, hated Barbies, played cricket....
I am a woman with a husband & children

Twizbe · 05/05/2021 16:00

My 4 year old constantly tells me he's Turbo the snail .... suppose it's time to make him a shell and feed him a diet of salad leaves ....

Allthereindeersaregirls · 05/05/2021 15:51

So I should have transitioned my 3yo because he wanted long hair like Elsa and to wear pink and glittery shit? Nope. I told him boys can have long hair and wear what the fuck they like. I may not have said fuck.

worriedatthemoment · 05/05/2021 15:46

This isn't a child deciding its parents making that choice
Girls can not like pigTails etc and can like firefighters and still be a girl ffs

MrsKeats · 05/05/2021 15:43

Child abuse pure and simple.

Fernlake · 05/05/2021 15:39

How on earth have we got here. What do the parents think of girls, if they think they can't be fucking firefighters, for God sake.

It's sexism on such a scale it's difficult to believe.

MondayYogurt · 05/05/2021 15:38

@Shizuku

"Sounds just like my 11 year old autistic daughter. She doesn't like girls clothes, hair slides, make up, girly toys and culture. Still a girl."

Same, except I wasn't autistic.

What was your childhood like? Do you have a female sibling?
lifeturnsonadime · 05/05/2021 15:38

@Shizuku

"Sounds just like my 11 year old autistic daughter. She doesn't like girls clothes, hair slides, make up, girly toys and culture. Still a girl."

Same, except I wasn't autistic.

Are you suggesting that not conforming to gender stereotypes, alone, makes a person trans?

Or is it something else?

My daughter is aware of the transgender movement but knows she's a girl who doesn't like girly things and that's OK.

It's quite easy to see how a child like my daughter could equally be led to believe that being as she is means she's not really a girl.

And before you say it there is no anti trans message being delivered to her. She's has fully bought into the TWAW rhetoric that she has seen through YouTube and hates JKR (but loves the books), as she is autistic and gets stressed I haven't ever discussed it with her.

AliceMcK · 05/05/2021 15:32

My almost 4yo thinks she’s Chewvacca do you think I can register her gender as Wookie??

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 05/05/2021 15:30

The UK has had female police officers for over a hundred years (1916 I think?)
Last week there was the news about the first firefighter in a headscarf.

Neither thing is for boys.

Shizuku · 05/05/2021 15:29

"Sounds just like my 11 year old autistic daughter. She doesn't like girls clothes, hair slides, make up, girly toys and culture. Still a girl."

Same, except I wasn't autistic.

bluebluezoo · 05/05/2021 15:28

Quote from the dad...

'I am so proud that he knows who he is and isn't constrained by societal norms and prejudices. We can all learn something from this small boy and I learn every day. Everyone is different.'

He added in the post: 'We all need accept that people are different and not try to force those around us to fit into a box that suits us.

'Accepting people for who they are is the only way to encourage innovation, embrace growth and harness the best in everyone. I have permission from my son to post this. He is proud of who he is.'

Isn’t that exactly what is happening. The kid doesn’t fit in the “girl box” so they are putting them in the “boy box”

If they were truly embracing the child for who they are and not being constrained by societal norms then they’d have a girl who likes trousers, short hair and fire trucks.

lifeturnsonadime · 05/05/2021 15:25

Sounds just like my 11 year old autistic daughter.

She doesn't like girls clothes, hair slides, make up, girly toys and culture.

Still a girl.

This is what happens when we insist children should fall into boxes and adhere to sexist stereotyping.

It's just cruel, as the mum to an autistic daughter it is so easy to see why autistic girls form a large amount of the demographic.

horrific.

ProudExclu · 05/05/2021 15:25

@Shizuku no one hates the child. Personally I wish a much better life away from the imbeciles currently raising her.

Erikrie · 05/05/2021 15:25

Dad to 4 year old "Can I post a story about you on LinkedIn"
"Course you can dad"
Of course this happened

Yep, this.

jeaux90 · 05/05/2021 15:25

I despair that this girl is growing up thinking that being a girl means she can't be a fire fighter or not have pigtails. So depressing.

Helleofabore · 05/05/2021 15:24

On the other hand, as people here are involved with campaigning for things like forcing trans kids to use toilets that match their birth certificates

People 'here' are involved in making sure in the need to protect all vulnerable people, that females are not put at safeguarding risk and are given the privacy and dignity they, too, need. People 'here' are vocal in supporting third spaces that do not 'force' trans kids to use toilets that match their birth certificates if they are provided.

Since you are accusing 'people here', what specifically are YOU personally doing about securing an equitable solution that allows the rights of BOTH females and trans people to be observed?

despite the fact that it puts them at higher risk of sexual assault,

Do you have current evidence that in schools transgirls are at higher risk of sexual assault than females are being assaulted by ANY male? I would like to see that evidence please.

Could you also then provide that transwomen and transgirls, in general, are at a higher risk of sexual assault than females are of being assaulted by males?

some would argue that yes, you do hate trans kids:

No. But then often it is said to be hateful when women campaign to maintain safeguarding standards and improve health care for children, particularly female children.

mollythemeerkat · 05/05/2021 15:23

@ChelseaCat

What is wrong with people. Why can’t people accept that a girl may choose to like firefighters and hate pigtails?! Ffs.
Or grow up to BE a firefighter for that matter. Wasnt that one of the main points of bloody feminism. I despair.
yourhairiswinterfire · 05/05/2021 15:22

"But it's nothing to do with sexist stereotypes".

Hmm Kids are being put on a medical pathway that ends in infertility because they like the "wrong" toys or hairstyles, ffs.

theThreeofWeevils · 05/05/2021 15:22

nobody here has or ever would express hate towards a 4 yo
Can't abide the little feckers myself Grin
Doesn't mean I don't recognise child abuse when I see it.

Shizuku · 05/05/2021 15:19

@H2OConnoisseur

I was a complete tomboy as a kid/teen and had many friends who were the same. If the situation then was as it is now, I'm pretty sure that I'd have been put on puberty blockers and eventually be convinced to transition. I'm currently in my late 20s, happy with myself, with ZERO desire to be male.

I believe this entire movement only seeks to reinforce gender stereotypes. It all feels extremely regressive to me tbh.

" was a complete tomboy as a kid/teen"

Me too. I was also a trans girl.

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