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Britain's youngest trans child

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poshme · 05/05/2021 11:36

Article in daily fail (sorry)

4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

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Defaultname · 05/05/2021 20:01
"My two year old hates dresses and refuses to wear clips in her hair. It's totally normal. It doesn't mean she's a boy." seems a popular comment; 9952 Likes and 65 Dislikes. Odd there are so many dislikes...
Marguerite2000 · 05/05/2021 19:59

This guy's a grifter, in my opinion. Probably looking for a Jazz Jennings type deal. They won't be the first parents who have exploited (or attempted to exploit) their children via reality TV/social media, and they won't be the last. I hope they get no attention whatsoever.

CoffeeWithCheese · 05/05/2021 19:56

At a similar age DD2 announced she wanted to be a boy when she grew up and we had a gentle chat about how girls grow up to become women and boys grow up to become men - but that mummy had never bought into this nonsense of girls toys and boys toys and girls were flipping awesome. Two days later she wanted to be Robodog from the Paw Patrol as a future career plan instead.

She was very much a "not-girlie" girl until about junior school age (I suspect now it's desperation to fit in that's kicked in) - loved dinosaurs (on the basis they could eat unicorns so were cooler), robots, blue, super heroes, didn't give a shit if stuff came from the girls or boys aisles if she liked it (she still doesn't on that one). At the moment now she's very pink and princess obsessed as what she's going through - she's figuring it all out naturally as she grows up which is bloody normal. Her sister was really pink and unicorn obsessed and now you can't get her out of a hoodie (or pyjamas as an even better option).

If I'd been a different person I would have jumped to assume DD was trans and started asking her questions about if she was a girl or a boy and she is the sort of child who would have been desperate to please and so easily led in her answers.

Trappedonanisland · 05/05/2021 19:19

These people must have serious issues themselves . This is child abuse . That poor wee girl.

thepuredrop · 05/05/2021 19:15

@andyoldlabour

Classic case of narcissistic parents using their child as an attention seeking object.
It really seems to be that trans kids are the new “I have a gifted child”.

The family obviously operate on the assumption that girls wear pretty clothes, have their hair in pigtails, don’t play with object-oriented toys, and boys are the opposite. Then their daughter said she was a boy. They asked her “are you a girl or a boy?”
She is following their lead! The options they have presented to her are be a pretty girl, or a boy.
She’s not rejecting being female, she’s rejecting their parenting. She’s not expressing her gender identity, she’s expressing her displeasure with their imposed gender stereotypes.

LostToucan · 05/05/2021 19:02

@toffeebutterpopcorn

Isn’t Storme a girls name? Who kicked off the stonewall riots?
I think that was Stormé?

I don’t think the parents have been that inventive with the “new” name.

Fernlake · 05/05/2021 18:48

"Stormy's father says his son 'hated pigtails and dresses' or even 'pretty shoes', and at the age of two-and-a-half told his family: 'I'm not a girl, I think I'm a boy'."

And yet, there are people who are actually wanting to take that literally. It's unbelievable.

Fernlake · 05/05/2021 18:48

@toffeebutterpopcorn

Isn’t Storme a girls name? Who kicked off the stonewall riots?
Yes, I was wondering about that
Fernlake · 05/05/2021 18:47

If I've learned one thing from the women posting on here, it's that in terms of child development, four-year-olds rely on gender stereotypes to determine who they think are boys or girls.

The idea that this makes them into some kind of gender dysphoric person who needs diagnosis and treatment is preposterous.

There can't be a parent alive who hasn't had a child want to 'be' something that they find appealing, or covet, or aspire to.

It is unremarkable as it's possible to be.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 05/05/2021 18:47

Isn’t Storme a girls name? Who kicked off the stonewall riots?

quiteathome · 05/05/2021 18:40

The statistics in the article are interesting. From 97 referrals in 2009 to 2,728 in 2019.

I am wondering what the hell is going on.

It would make a lot of sense that a child would want to be exactly like their twin, or an older brother or sister. It will be interesting to find out if the child is still trans once school and outside children are more of an influence.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 05/05/2021 18:34

"Stormy's father says his son 'hated pigtails and dresses' or even 'pretty shoes', and at the age of two-and-a-half told his family: 'I'm not a girl, I think I'm a boy'."

Does Stormy's father think little girls are born wanting to wrar pretty shoes and dresses or to have their hair in pigtai!s? This is ludicrous. Accepting this child as they are means dressing them in comfy clothes that allow them to be active, being supportive when they say they want to be a firefighter or police officer - and not implying that they have to be a boy to be able to do any of this.

StrangeLookingParasite · 05/05/2021 18:32

clearly have some quite traditional gendered expectations.

The pictures of the child before the parents' grand declaration show they are absolutely rigid genderists - pink blankets, pigtails, 'pretty' shoes, pink beret, pinafore dresses on a baby, pink pinafores later, pink everything else. I don't blame her for wanting to be like her brother. I hated all that nonsense too.

hedgehogger1 · 05/05/2021 18:28

My daughter spent a lot of time being a cat at that age...

Childrenofthestones · 05/05/2021 18:27

@LawnFever

How has this backwards, sexist way of thinking become something that some people see as progressive, it’s ridiculous.

So we can’t have female firefighters, police officers and everyone has to wear pigtails now? It’s just bizarre and damaging.

How is it seen as progressive? Tribalism. I'm convinced that many on the left see the stupidity of all this but aren't willing to be cast out of the intersectionality tent to get pissed on by all the other alphabeties who used to be their friends. Be honest, most people posting here would still be in the tent pissing out on the none progressives if it wasn't for the fact that you strongly disagree with most progressives on Gender activism.
MiddlesexGirl · 05/05/2021 18:21

"He was assigned female at birth"
HmmHmmHmm

ThomasPenman · 05/05/2021 18:21

I asked my 7 1/2 year old daughter if she was a girl or a boy. She said she was a girl. I asked her how she knew. She said, 'Because you told me.'

TurquoiseLemur · 05/05/2021 18:20

@HelpMeRhondaYeah

I imagine it would feel pretty unsafe to a toddler, to be asked regularly by their parents whether they're a boy or a girl. Parents are supposed to know stuff at that age, especially important stuff like the sex of their child.
Absolutely. The total lack of common sense in these parents is shocking. And it can only be destructive to the child's wellbeing.

I'm old enough to remember s time when obsessing about gender identity wasn't common. Sure, there are people who have felt from the off that they are in the wrong body, that's a different issue altogether. Now, there are parents/teachers/media outlets/pressure groups etc etc TELLING children, inc very small ones, this. Making it some kind of badge of honour for themselves, the parents. All because they have very traditional views of gender. ("If my daughter doesn't want pigtails, she'd be happier identifying as male." etc)

It's perfectly possible to be articulate, to read lots of articles etc, and to be completely lacking in common sense.

LadyBuffOfBuffdonia · 05/05/2021 18:16

@ImprobablePuffin I believe people think it's the epitome of weird.
I decided I wanted to stop eating meat at six. My family all ate meat but my mum let me.
The difference between this and a trans kid is being vegetarian had no negative impact on my life or health apart from people making stupid comments.
Making fun of vegans is a national pastime. I've been the butt of jokes for 30+ years now.
Mmmm bacon.

blacksax · 05/05/2021 18:15

The headline should really have been:

"Parents of 4-year-old twins lose their marbles"

Delphinium20 · 05/05/2021 18:09

@Fallingirl we read Pippi! Grew up with Norwegian parents and loved their sensible approach to kid clothing - corduroys and wool sweaters(jumpers). White socks or brown socks, and unisex brown and navy leather shoes.

We all looked something like this:

Britain's youngest trans child
Fallingirl · 05/05/2021 17:58

When my sisters and I grew up in Scandinavia in the 70’es, we wanted to be pirates and be able to lift a horse. -just like Pippi Longstocking.

The parents enforcing the rigid gender stereotypes of today, are entirely overlooking how the things they believe to be markers of the nebulous concept of “gender identity”, are situated in time and place.

Would our ambitions have marked us out as girls or boys?

Astrid Lindgreen’s books must be discombobulating to the ‘woke’.

Delphinium20 · 05/05/2021 17:47

@NursePye A Troll!!! How clever! I absolutely love that! One DD at 11 dressed up as a Zombie Robin Hood for Halloween. Kids are awesomely interesting!

ImprobablePuffin · 05/05/2021 17:45

@TableFlowerss

I bet they like the attention it gives them to make them feel like super cool lo parents *sigh* bet they’re turned vegan recently too 🙄 course that little girl won’t be messed up.......
Can I ask why some people are comparing this scenario to being vegan as if being a vegan is somehow abusive?
babbaloushka · 05/05/2021 17:44

And hugely exacerbated by social media, especially other's experiences receiving attention and praise, and specific group identities, where their trauma centres as a personality trait.

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