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Trans Widows Escape Committee 5: And so it continues...

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TinselAngel · 04/05/2021 21:25

Welcome to thread 5. A virtual prize for anyone who can guess the geeky sci fi reference in the thread title.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

In four years we have gone from starting the first thread, to launching a website, to be invited to give evidence to a government inquiry, which is pretty spectacular when you think about it.

Thanks to all the women who have told their stories and particularly to those who have stuck around to help others. Thanks also to @socialworker222 who remains nice cop, to my stern cop.

Do say hello to start the thread off!

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QuinnMovesOn · 29/10/2021 16:17

I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this. Have you spoken to a divorce lawyer yet? The "fiancé" comment makes it sound like your husband is already making plans, you should be prepared as well. Though please be aware that many of us trans widows have had to be the one to file for divorce, because our exes were "brave and stunning" enough to transition but not wanting to change the status quo of a failed marriage.

FooFooFloofyFoof · 29/10/2021 10:37

@23madeleine

Hello. My husband of 54 years who is now 78 is more sharply escalating his fetish. 'She' Sophie is on her way to spend the weekend with her fiance Rowena (also a man). He has been playing with himself in private as a woman for several years but during lockdown met Rowena on the internet and they have been spending weekends together once a month. This weekend it has escalated to him telling me he is leaving the house to meet Rowena dressed as a woman and will I help by doing up the back of his dress. Said no. His female attire is all laid out on our bed (which I do not choose to sleep in) and the female shoes are displayed by the front door. He has not previously dressed as a woman in front of me though I found a photo some years ago. At the moment I am waiting for him to go upstairs to get changed at which point I shall be out the door until I think he has gone.
I'm so sorry you are being forced to witness this. What a bloody cheek to ask you to help and putting the clothes on your bed! What would you like to do regarding the future of your marriage?

I assume from the not sharing a bed comment that you're not sexually actively with him but if you have been since he met the other man he is putting you at risk of STIs if he is engaging in anal sex with him. Definitely good to get a sexual health screening if that's the case. Sad

23madeleine · 29/10/2021 08:43

Hello. My husband of 54 years who is now 78 is more sharply escalating his fetish. 'She' Sophie is on her way to spend the weekend with her fiance Rowena (also a man). He has been playing with himself in private as a woman for several years but during lockdown met Rowena on the internet and they have been spending weekends together once a month. This weekend it has escalated to him telling me he is leaving the house to meet Rowena dressed as a woman and will I help by doing up the back of his dress. Said no. His female attire is all laid out on our bed (which I do not choose to sleep in) and the female shoes are displayed by the front door. He has not previously dressed as a woman in front of me though I found a photo some years ago. At the moment I am waiting for him to go upstairs to get changed at which point I shall be out the door until I think he has gone.

TinselAngel · 27/10/2021 13:08

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4385955-turning-victims-into-folk-devils-the-plight-of-the-transwidows-new-article

Thread about new article by Jo Bartosch.

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socialworker222 · 25/10/2021 07:19

I was fairly active in helping my ex move out, as I wasn't sure he would really go. It was worth my helping to move stuff just to get it out. You shouldn't have to actively do it, but taking his things to him even bit by bit may be worth your effort, just to clear it. The psychological relief of seeing it gone was immense. Stuff he forgot I just took to the charity shop. Gave me a clean slate in my home to gradually change and erase some difficult memories.

TinselAngel · 24/10/2021 22:32

A more sensible alternative might be putting all his stuff in a storage unit and saying that you will get rid of it if he hasn't collected it after a month.

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QuinnMovesOn · 24/10/2021 18:37

@mesamazing, ditto the advice to get your ex's belongings out of your residence as soon as possible. It is a stressor that you shouldn't need to put up with.

Regarding Tinsel's recommendation... it is possible that abandoning the storage unit's contents could damage your credit rating. I think it's a great idea otherwise.

TinselAngel · 20/10/2021 18:50

Hi @mesamazing welcome.

A practical suggestion- if he's taking ages to move his things out, can you do it for him? Do you have a garage or somewhere else you can put them in? I was going to suggest renting a storage unit for a month and posting him the key, but I don't know if it would cause you hassle if he didn't collect his stuff when the month was up. If it's inconvenient for him to collect his stuff, there's every chance he'll fanny about indefinitely unless you bring it to a head (mixed metaphor).

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FooFooFloofyFoof · 20/10/2021 06:56

Welcome mesamazing - it sounds like you're being really strong - I know what you mean in being triggered. I just feel revulsion now. As my son (who is bisexual so in theory fancies both sexes) says - why would anyone be attracted to someone who is so clearly mentally ill? They are repulsive.

socialworker222 · 20/10/2021 06:52

Welcome amazing. That sounds very hard on you both. Did he move out willingly? Its good he's gone and you will now need to find a way of managing your boundaries around him and your daughters contact with him. She doesn't sound too young so hopefully she can take some control over managing that. But welcome to.a group many of whom have been there and come out the other side Flowers

Zeev · 19/10/2021 23:52

mesamazing, welcome!

mesamazing · 19/10/2021 23:00

Hello! I am so pleased to find this place! I just left my husband of 11 years. The first 9 years were absolutely wonderful…but the last two were full of the most vile tantrums and psychological abuse. He wants to be a woman. Not that he told me that. In fact, that’s what he told my 14 year old daughter. He told me that he wanted to “just be a man in a dress who shaves his whole body.”

The change has been so difficult. He’s taking forever to move his things out, doesn’t show up when he says he will to move it. When I see him, I can’t even find the man I loved so much. This monster just isn’t him.

In the last three weeks, I’ve accomplished so much, but the man who once supported and even celebrated me is gone. My daughter is glad that my husband moved out and feels better everyday. She just wants me to be happy. We both have had the realization that now we need “trigger warnings” for seeing men who identify as women.

I was unable to find any support groups here. Everything is about “gender affirming,” yet not a single site talks about the sudden abuse and neglect women like me experience.

Thank you for being here.

TinselAngel · 14/10/2021 08:59

I have to say, an utterly miserable last Christmas when we were still together also helped my decision making.

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TinselAngel · 14/10/2021 08:58

It might also help to decide what your red line is. Mine was my ex getting the go ahead from the GIC to start transitioning.

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socialworker222 · 14/10/2021 07:09

Unhappy not u happy

socialworker222 · 14/10/2021 07:08

Nothing wrong with getting your life lined up first Misery. It's important to have some security and a plan. And you have to do this when it feels manageable. If you can limit looking at his social media that may help. I did a lot of digging around and it made me u happy seeing the creepy fake double life, the party frock pictures, the fawning celebratory comments... keeping your focus on you and what you need, not the detail of his self-absorbed and delusional life, will free you.

themiserychick · 14/10/2021 04:16

Thanks Tinsel and Quinn. I did do some therapy, but it didn't help much. I suppose I'll just stick with what I've got.

I really need to break up with him. I saw a Reddit post where he talks about feeling joy at being called a wife and mother, which made me so angry and I had visions of me telling him in no uncertain terms that he will never be any of those things to me or my children, and other material realities that people like him often ignore.

I just don't know how or when to do it. I don't want a lot of drama, but I know he'll be devastated. My stupid anxiety makes me procrastinate badly. I'm working on applying to do casual teaching, so I've been telling myself I'll wait until I get work. Earlier today I caught myself telling myself that I'll do it after Christmas. I mean, what's another few months?

TinselAngel · 13/10/2021 21:50

One day I'll learn to proofread my posts.

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ColdColdWinter · 13/10/2021 21:37

@TinselAngel

This time next year Southern you'll be one of those women who made it out the other side Thanks

Literally nobody cares about my sci-fi thread titles do they? Peasants Grin

"Trans Widows Voices website- again if any of the omen who have previously posted would like to contribute their story then do let me know."

@TinselAngel I've spotted a horror title, will that do?

socialworker222 · 13/10/2021 21:15

Yes. Simple and to the point. She speaks very clearly. I only bristled at the phrase 'the controversial term for a woman who hasn’t come to terms with a partner’s sex change'...

TinselAngel · 13/10/2021 20:22

@QuinnMovesOn

A good article. This line in particular mirrors my belief: "I'm entitled to my own history."
Yes 100%
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QuinnMovesOn · 13/10/2021 20:01

A good article. This line in particular mirrors my belief: "I'm entitled to my own history."

TinselAngel · 13/10/2021 18:49

Not a bad article in the New York Post today:

nypost.com/2021/10/12/i-became-a-trans-widow-after-my-husband-became-a-woman/

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QuinnMovesOn · 08/10/2021 19:30

Misery, I also found a lot of support from an unexpected quarter: a divorce recovery group hosted by a church. They were very welcoming and helpful (and didn't mind that I'm not a practicing Christian).

TinselAngel · 06/10/2021 13:33

@themiserychick

Why does he get to make connections and new friends and a support system (or is it validation system?) and all I get is a few forums online and major reluctance in telling people IRL because you never know what side of politics/feminism they sit? Just feeling a bit sorry for myself as I discovered he's added several people like him on FB, and has had a group video chat with them. I've only told 1 person who is on my side, 2 others I've talked to (because he came out to them first) who are family members, but I don't know how honest I can be with them.

These forums are amazing, but I still feel so incredibly alone in all this. There's no one I can really just rant to about stuff whenever, the one good friend is great, but she doesn't really do texting or messaging. I'm part of a private FB group, but I'm kind of reluctant to post or comment much. Here is ok, but has restrictions. Ovarit is ok, but there isn't a dedicated safe space.

I don't know where I'm going with this. Just another nail in the coffin which is this relationship.

I can understand it's frustrating. If it's any consolation there was nothing at all support wise when I was going through it, hence me setting up all this.

He is embarking on a new life with many new like minded people in it, I recall my ex saying that networking online and IRL in his new identity made him feel popular for the first time ever. The social contacts that you know about are likely to be the tip of the iceberg, he will have other networks of supporters outside Facebook I'm sure.

The reason door the contrast is that any private groups set up by ourselves will be so open to infiltration, bullying and doxxing by our exes and other TRAs that they will be hugely time consuming to administer safely. If I win the lottery/ retire I'd set it up but I don't have time at present. I am sure though that we have to do these things for ourselves,

Have you looked into either counselling, or making contacts through local rad fem networks?

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