Gareeca Gordon conviction ~ a rare female horror killing?

Good Evening to all. I feel violently sick reading this. Because earlier this year I discovered that a woman I was friends with didn't just suffer from a bit of depression and anxiety bit had a perdonality disorder.

And when I heard about this story I'm not going to lie, it could have been me as our friendship became intimate. She blocked me and changed her number without warning because I suspect it was because I had to put a lid on having a relationship with her. I did love her very much and I told her I was sorry. She then tried to blame me for messing with her head as she put it, then tried to gaslight and twist it back to her by making out that she had a seizure in a restaurant due to stress.

May I point out that when I was with her in her house she was extremely emotional and tearful, kept regurgitating her life story which I've heard about at least 20 times and wasn't affectionate. When she did become affectionate it was rather sporadic.

She was really messing with my head, when I got home she started to send me very explicit messages. She even said I love you and I want a relationship yet I know she isn't capable of love.

I feel seriously sick to my stomach that this could have been my situation.

The lady I speak of is known to the police with involvement as long as your arm, always in court, getting behaviour warning letters and to think I somewhat fell in love with her.

I feel like a fool but maybe just maybe God saved me from what could have been. I reckon if we were still friends she would keep chipping away at me until I'm totally dependent on her and can't function.

This is just another of the entirely forseeable consequences of blindlingly accepting that TWAW and allowing gender to replace sex in legal forms.

If the newpapers were not tied by their own regulators to use the self stated gender of a criminal regardless of any other reality we would know what sex every perpetrator is and we wouldn't have threads like these.

And think on... for every thread like this there could be an ONS anomaly. Women's crime statistics including male perpetrators.

And yet they said it couldn't happen!!!

Gosh there's some absolute rubbish being spouted on this thread now.

You need to step away from true crime tv or whatever it is you're all watching.

It’s also worth pointing out that Mary came from an unimaginably abusive home where her prostitute mother pimped her out to her pedophile clients from age 4. Her mum once sold Mary to a mentally ill woman and also tried to kill her with an overdose. I guess social services didn’t exist in those days but basically it’s hard to imagine a more horrific upbringing and it’s unsurprising that she went off the rails. She’s now 64 and hasn’t offended since she got out or the public would have heard about it.

I would hazard a guess that the names of many men who have done this sort of thing in the last 50 years are way less well known.

Who can name off the top of their head the recent serial killer who targeted men that the police fucked up the investigation? Or the serial killer in muswell hill? Or the man from hull who was an arsonist and killed loads of people in the 70s?

(Without googling!).

I'm sure some can but the women convicted of these types of crimes definitely tend to be remembered more (because it's less common).

I believe some of her suspicious movements locally in Birmingham had also been reported. But people in the countryside do take more note of strangers. I remember I used to visit a friend in the Gloucestershire countryside who would make a point of introducing me to anyone we met when out as she knew they'd be curious about any stranger 'wondering' about.

Crossposted with Nice Gerbil, sorry.

As with so many things, it depends where you are looking. It seems recent to me that there was a big fuss when Mary Bell was released on licence after serving about 30 + (?) years on a life sentence. I say seems because it may be 10 - 20 years ago which shows my age. I only knew of her because I had reason to research the subject of child killers when I myself was young. I am sure many, many younger people have never heard of her. Even Venables and Thompson may be a vague recollection to many now.

Mary bell was much longer ago. 50 years. I have heard of her.

She was also tracked down by the press a few years back I think? And there was a load of stuff about that. So the media obviously haven't forgotten.

This thread and the coverage being "like a foot note" as a pp put it, makes me think of Mary Bell. Most people have heard the names Robert Thompson and Jon Venables, but the little girl who strangled two boys to death in the 60's, seems to have been forgotten quickly.

Yes, I believe (as per the person who’s house was directly opposite where they were picked up) saw somebody acting suspiciously in the woods/ a container facility and by the quarry and called the police, she had set her dogs off is why she was having a nosey.

Do you mean the discovery of the people travelling around with the suitcases? Thank god for someone being 'nosy' for whatever reason. Poor Phoenix's family may never have known what happened otherwise.

This happened on the road my mum lives on, literally a stones throw away. It was a local person who had called about suspicious activity near their house that got them caught. Such a shock as we’re a fairly sleep town.

My heart goes out to her family, it must be devastating to live with the details of her murder.

I'm also surprised at the lack of coverage.

It's the sort of case the media usually like to report. Unusual, extreme etc.

I assume there must be some reasons for it but no idea what.

In fairness, I have to say the Deputy Editor of the Birmingham Mail Newsdesk (for reference) said in her reply to me that the police only put out such videos with the family's permission. she also said the video only showed up to the time the stopped the woman in the car. I have not seen it and will not so I am taking her word for it.

Omg why was this not given more coverage?! Poor girl RIP

Oh god, West Midlands police! I can say with full conviction, if Phoenix reported her concerns to WMP they would have ignored her and left her to fend for herself. They only investigate murders apparently, as anything else isn’t worth the investigative cost regardless of lower level crime leading to murder. Which makes it all the more ironic to see them parading that footage online and essentially patting themselves on the back.

It's pandering to the public interest in seeing this stuff.

No it's not in the public interest to show the cases her body parts were found in. What possible purpose can that serve?

Yes I'm sure the public are interested. But it's just grim to show these images and it must be awful for the family to have the police of all people circulating them.

MissBarbary, are you responding to me? There was a trial, the murderer pled guilty. Surprisingly I have had a prompt response to my complaint to the news site. To paraphrase: they acknowledge it is an horrific case, they had much discussion how to cover it, the video was released by the police to show how the investigation progressed, it did not show any details, it would only have been released with the agreement of the family. Which is the most surprising thing to me. But I am not in their position so have no idea how I would act or react.

I still think there is an element of the police bigging themselves up even if they are trying to forestall criticism of their actions by showing exactly what they did do in this case and have done in other cases.

I did not and do not want to think about this for obvious reasons but have to admit there are other aspects to the post trial publicity than I might have thought of.

I started off thinking the way you did but stuck with it. I don't think they were bigging themselves up and I think there is a public interest in knowing how it was investigated, given there was no trial.

I have always been uneasy about police representatives giving public statements at the conclusion of criminal trials. If there are lessons about avoiding certain crimes or criminals OK that is one thing. Just going over the horrible details? No, it's a vile crime not entertainment.

I assume that shiz has the views I've seen on here before about how prisons should be managed/ the male and female estate etc.

Shiz's posts on mumsnet are invariably about trans people.

Prison is not a nice place but she'll be supervised on a suitable unit, the prisoners aren't just left to fend for themselves and you'd be surprised how different these notorious characters often are once in custody.

The biggest risk is most likely to herself at this stage of her sentence tbh.