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New CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis

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TheFleegleHasLanded · 03/05/2021 11:00

I struggled to even come up with a title for this thread as I am so enraged I know I will get deleted and even banned if I say what I really think.

twitter.com/EdinRapeCrisis/status/1389112490215288832?s=20

New CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis
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Sophoclesthefox · 14/09/2021 18:00

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Not at all alarming Hmm...

Audience question:
"What can we do to be more trans inclusive?"

MW answer:
"Find out what the team thinks. Not, as in, ‘find out what the team thinks to improve things’. But, ‘find out if they are on side in their thinking’.

There is always one who is more quiet than the others. Find out how they feel about transphobic language and negative portrayals of trans people. Can their views be changed, or are they permanent?

We can ‘unlearn’ patriarchy, racism and transphobia."

“Are you now, or have you ever been a t*rf?”

Lovely to see that they’ve been paying attention to history. A blacklist of subversives who have to be re-educated is so wonderfully progressive if it’s composed of women with heretical beliefs about sex, and not anything old fashioned and stupid like communism.

Orgasmagorical · 14/09/2021 17:46

I may be very late to the party here but does anyone know if ERC has been reported to the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator?

littlbrowndog · 14/09/2021 17:21

This convo on Twitter sums it up. Rape crisis centres are not for curing women of their transphobia.

New CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis
littlbrowndog · 14/09/2021 16:50

That’s a good read itasallgoingtobefine. 💪💪 but at same time 😢

Datun · 14/09/2021 16:44

@Passmeamenuatthetottenham

That Jean Hatchet thread, eeeeeek!

I listened to that Guilty Feminist podcast with Wadwha and the whole time I was just thinking that the glaringly obvious solution was to create rape crisis centres specifically for transwomen.

That's not validating. So that's never going to be appealing.

The presence of women, and in this case raped women, is crucial. If all the women victims went elsewhere, then that next place would be the desirable place.

It's not the place that's important, it's the women's presence in it.

Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 14/09/2021 16:36

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Not at all alarming Hmm...

Audience question:
"What can we do to be more trans inclusive?"

MW answer:
"Find out what the team thinks. Not, as in, ‘find out what the team thinks to improve things’. But, ‘find out if they are on side in their thinking’.

There is always one who is more quiet than the others. Find out how they feel about transphobic language and negative portrayals of trans people. Can their views be changed, or are they permanent?

We can ‘unlearn’ patriarchy, racism and transphobia."

Whaaaaaaaa?!!! Shock
Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 14/09/2021 16:35

That Jean Hatchet thread, eeeeeek!

I listened to that Guilty Feminist podcast with Wadwha and the whole time I was just thinking that the glaringly obvious solution was to create rape crisis centres specifically for transwomen.

ArabellaScott · 14/09/2021 16:30

There is always one who is more quiet than the others. Find out how they feel about transphobic language and negative portrayals of trans people. Can their views be changed, or are they permanent?

Shock
prudencepuffin · 14/09/2021 16:15

MW missed out the bit about "privilege" in that list provided by Jane Clare Jones!

Leafstamp · 14/09/2021 16:05

Worth reading:

mobile.twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1437769512468815873

prudencepuffin · 14/09/2021 16:00

Women began by saying they had legitimate concerns about the Gender Recognition Act, but more and more of them were on the right and ‘very comfortable associating themselves with fascists’. These women wanted to sideline anyone who was not ‘cisgender and white’. It was a difficult task ahead.

Lets hope its a bloody difficult task ahead MW - hope its not too easy for you to chuck women rape victims under the bus.

MummBraTheEverLeaking · 14/09/2021 15:49

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Not at all alarming Hmm...

Audience question:
"What can we do to be more trans inclusive?"

MW answer:
"Find out what the team thinks. Not, as in, ‘find out what the team thinks to improve things’. But, ‘find out if they are on side in their thinking’.

There is always one who is more quiet than the others. Find out how they feel about transphobic language and negative portrayals of trans people. Can their views be changed, or are they permanent?

We can ‘unlearn’ patriarchy, racism and transphobia."

Effing hell Shock

Basically target anyone for interrogation who is doesn't repeat and believe the mantras. Make them repeat and believe the mantras. Make them swear allegiance.

They are supposed to have only ONE job here, and it's not being the fucking thought police. Using their position to start a personal vendetta against anyone with GC views Angry

PenguindreamsofDraco · 14/09/2021 15:36

@littlbrowndog

Someone else chucked out. A QC
Kama is not the woman or barrister to take this lying down. Good Lord, I suspect they won't know what they've unleashed.
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/09/2021 15:29

Not at all alarming Hmm...

Audience question:
"What can we do to be more trans inclusive?"

MW answer:
"Find out what the team thinks. Not, as in, ‘find out what the team thinks to improve things’. But, ‘find out if they are on side in their thinking’.

There is always one who is more quiet than the others. Find out how they feel about transphobic language and negative portrayals of trans people. Can their views be changed, or are they permanent?

We can ‘unlearn’ patriarchy, racism and transphobia."

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/09/2021 15:23

Full account of this meeting here:
the-lies-they-tell.org/2021/09/14/mridul-wadhwa-building-intersectional-inclusion-in-rape-crisis-services/

TabbyStar · 14/09/2021 15:07

There always used to be lots of lesbians in the DV/SV sector, not sure whether that's still the case, maybe not so much thinking about the organisations I work with, though it's mostly at management level I have contacts.

CreepingDeath · 14/09/2021 15:02

Why is this exposé not in the mainstream media? It's quite clear this person and their partner have an agenda and are lining their own pockets on the back of government contracts.

This person is now part of a 'sacred caste' which means in some circles it doesn't matter what they do, they will be absolved. Which is so dangerous, this person basically feels untouchable.

What will it take to get rid of them?

KaycePollard · 14/09/2021 14:53

that would be because the vast majority of women in Scotland are in fact straight and white.

And substantial majority of those raped are going to be straight white women.

KaycePollard · 14/09/2021 14:50

I was just coming here to start a thread about jean Hatchet being chucked out of today’s meeting

for citing the Equalities Act

So it’s now a censorable action to cite UK law

This is just beyond belief. Except it’s happening.

R0wantrees · 14/09/2021 14:42

[quote Perpetualnamechanger]I'm adding some articles to this thread, including Legal Feminist's analysis:

legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/09/12/fostering-good-relations/[/quote]
This is very clear, powerful analysis by Naomi Cunningham QC. It deserves to be read and shared widely.

Concludes:

"Wadhwa should resign."

NecessaryScene · 14/09/2021 14:32

Sorry, people running an organisation being representative of the people using it is "normative", and that's bad.

So it's vitally important that gay men from another country run women's crisis centres in Scotland.

Important to whom, I'm not sure. Not the users obviously, because they're just so normative themselves, what with being female victims of male violence. Boring. Hmm Judith Butler isn't interested in this tediousness.

TofuDelights · 14/09/2021 14:30

Good grief. This is appalling. What with Graham's substack from the US this morning, and now this, I am just in despair. I just feel so flipping helpless. Sorry. FFS. Total despair.

CharlieParley · 14/09/2021 14:29

(Some people give their sexuality as other, that's why the numbers on sexuality above don't add up to 100%)

CharlieParley · 14/09/2021 14:27

The rape crisis movement is largely run by white, cis, heteronormative women”….

Inclusivity, diversion and equality drives have always been about organisations accurately reflecting the makeup of the society they operate in and that of the people they cater to.

According to the last census, Scotland is 96% white, with just 0.9% being black and 2.7% Asian. Let's say it's now double that, that still would mean 92% of the population are white.

95% of the population are heterosexual. The people from National Records Scotland told us in a meeting in 2019 that their best current estimate of the percentage of lesbian women out of all women in Scotland is 1% to 2% and the total who say they are LGB is estimated at 2.7% (from the Annual Population Survey 2019).

The percentage of the population who identifies as transgender is estimated between 0.5% and 1%.

So if the rape crisis movement in Scotland is largely run by straight white women, that would be because the vast majority of women in Scotland are in fact straight and white.

Rape Crisis Scotland statistics on those using their services also bear this out - the vast majority of people they need to cater to are straight and white and female.

So this is an ignorant comment in the context of Scotland.

littlbrowndog · 14/09/2021 14:22

Someone else chucked out. A QC

New CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis