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Caitlyn Jenner OPPOSES trans girls competing in girls sport

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hm246 · 01/05/2021 22:33

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9533463/Caitlyn-Jenner-says-OPPOSES-trans-girls-competing-girls-sport.html

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Datun · 03/05/2021 10:27

@Redapplewreath

Sex mattered in sport and women only sport was accepted as perfectly sensible until male people wanted it.

The endless splitting of hairs on how much it affects female athletes negatively is merely establishing some temporary boundaries on just how much grace they will be permitted in the providing of their sports to male entrants.

The bottom line is quite simply: did female athletes go through all their training, their efforts, their struggles, to provide emotional care and inclusive support to a male athlete?

Look at your daughter. Are you prepared to tell her that by accident of being born female, her ambitions, her dreams, her feelings, her needs, must always come second to her primary purpose of serving male interests?

And then explain too that no, sex isn't supposed to exist or matter, and yet hers does. This is wholly sex based thinking underpinning all of this, complete with the same hierarchy. There is no respect for female born people anywhere in it.

Oops, I meant to quote this.
SunsetBeetch · 03/05/2021 10:27

Yes, on of the consequences of putting yourself in an echo chamber is that you can make an absolute Father Dougal McGuire of yourself with nobody to stop you.

Datun · 03/05/2021 10:26

Excellent post.

NotBadConsidering · 03/05/2021 10:18

JFC just when you think Jamil can’t get any more stupid, we are now at Father Dougal cows are small/far away level.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 03/05/2021 10:16

Isn't basketball a non contact sport? Not that that means it would be fair mind you.

PurpleWh1teGreen · 03/05/2021 10:16

@Justhadathought

There is something slightly amusing about the idea that the first trans governor would be a Republican

A bit like the possibility that the first black leader of a British political party could be a Conservative ( I'm thinking Kemi Badenoch).

As someone who would make Ian Duncan-Smith look like a liberal leftie. I really hope not.
SunsetBeetch · 03/05/2021 10:16

Personally I'm just enjoying the fall-out and the sunlight. I'm not grateful to CJ, but I am pleased they've said this.

Zinco · 03/05/2021 10:16

I know next to nothing about golf, but I think there is a handicap system that would allow men and women to play against each other anyway.

Now if CJ is switched over to the women's handicap system, yes it's completely unfair to biological women, but perhaps CJ could argue that 'she' doesn't agree with that policy.

WindyPudding · 03/05/2021 10:13

Also I definitely don’t fawn over GC men and TW. I appreciate them being GC and saying so but I maintain a wariness. I do think there’s a thing where a male becomes a leader surrounded by admiring women and that can even happen in a feminist cause - I avoid being part of that.

SunsetBeetch · 03/05/2021 10:08

@Eminybob

Woke old Jameela wading in on something she knows nothing about, yet again.

Those pictures are laughable, does she not understand how perspective works? And I love that she has turned off replies so no one can call her out on it.

Well, at least she's as obnoxious as she is.stupid Smile

twitter.com/jameelajamil/status/1388931153957109762?s=20

Caitlyn Jenner OPPOSES trans girls competing in girls sport
WindyPudding · 03/05/2021 10:05

Hmm I don’t think most of us are fawning. I’m glad a famous trans person and athlete has said this, and I think it’s important. I am not a fan of CJ but I appreciate someone very well known refusing to be bullied by trans ideology.

Re right wingers, ethnic minorities and women have often achieved senior roles sooner in republican and conservative parties than in left wing parties, and that’s been the case for years. I’ve often wondered why. Barack Obama bucked the trend.

Eminybob · 03/05/2021 09:59

Woke old Jameela wading in on something she knows nothing about, yet again.

Those pictures are laughable, does she not understand how perspective works? And I love that she has turned off replies so no one can call her out on it.

TinselAngel · 03/05/2021 09:52

@R0wantrees

People online are calling CJ a hypocrite because she plays golf with women

Its not unusual to discover some hypocrisy in those male TS who claim a moderate position.

Poor old Kris Jenner, the Trans Widow here, now has feminists fawning over her ex. What does that remind me of, I wonder Hmm

I was particularly interested in this tweet by Jameela Jamil, where she appears to think that not only should children of transitioners be accepting but that they have an obligation to speak out if their trans parent is insufficiently ideologically pure.

twitter.com/jameelajamil/status/1388841110022332420?s=21

Justhadathought · 03/05/2021 09:37

There is something slightly amusing about the idea that the first trans governor would be a Republican

A bit like the possibility that the first black leader of a British political party could be a Conservative ( I'm thinking Kemi Badenoch).

ErrolTheDragon · 03/05/2021 09:12

If it's just a friendly game, then there is no hypocrisy.

And is in fact a positive example of how sports can be truly 'inclusive'. More opportunities for appropriate sports to be played socially by people of both sexes and different abilities and ages is a good thing. Golf seems particularly good at allowing older people to continue to participate. Like many sports, the main barrier is wealth and 'class'.

Zinco · 03/05/2021 08:58

People online are calling CJ a hypocrite because she plays golf with women

If it's just a friendly game, then there is no hypocrisy.

If it's real competition, it's hypocrisy, but being a hypocrite doesn't make your statement wrong.

blackwhiteandstripey · 02/05/2021 23:34

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fucksat50 · 02/05/2021 21:52

Thank you Caitlin Jenner

SmokedDuck · 02/05/2021 21:43

There is something slightly amusing about the idea that the first trans governor would be a Republican.

GingerAndTheBiscuits · 02/05/2021 21:26

I happened across a useful post here comparing various records across multiple sports and distances

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GingerAndTheBiscuits · 02/05/2021 21:24

@Binglebong

Does anyone know if there are any athletic/physical sports records that women hold over men? I have a vague idea there might be a distance one but it's an exception that proves the rule.
Apparently discus is one but the women’s discus is smaller and lighter
SmokedDuck · 02/05/2021 21:21

@ErrolTheDragon

When I play golf it's with mixed groups. But it's mainly for fun, and the skill levels are all over the place anyway. Most of us objectively suck. So sex differences are pretty irrelevant. For many golf is competition against themselves anyway.

I don't know how the handicap system works in golf but presumably that helps to make it a social sport for players of different ability?

Absolutely. I think it probably still doesn't totally account for the power difference between male and female players, but that's not so important in recreational games.
EmbarrassingAdmissions · 02/05/2021 20:55

@Binglebong

Does anyone know if there are any athletic/physical sports records that women hold over men? I have a vague idea there might be a distance one but it's an exception that proves the rule.
Are you thinking of some of the ultra-endurance events?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-49284389

CaveMum · 02/05/2021 20:49

Paula Radcliffe’s World Record Marathon time is 2:15:25.

At the Rio Olympics in 2016, 24 of the 139 men to complete the course ran a faster time than this record.

The winner of the Women’s Marathon at the same Games (Jemima Jelagat Sumgong) would have finished in 89th position in the men’s race, a full 16 mins after the winner.

When you look at the figures in isolation like that it really drives it home.

Binglebong · 02/05/2021 20:36

Does anyone know if there are any athletic/physical sports records that women hold over men? I have a vague idea there might be a distance one but it's an exception that proves the rule.

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