Caitlyn Jenner OPPOSES trans girls competing in girls sport

Jenner was a decathlete not a sprinter. This kind of argument is ridiculous.

Daley Thompson was comparatively underwhelming* as a runner - won the decathlon gold medal at the Olympic Games in 1980 and 1984, and broke the world record for the event four times - likewise, he was excellent across many of the decathlon events.

Flo Jo's records stand and no other woman has even begun to approach them.

www.worldathletics.org/records/all-time-toplists/sprints/100-metres/outdoor/women/senior

*Still thought to be the UK's best all-round athlete and that comparative is relative to single sport specialists.

Thank you Helleofabore for saying it so clearly.

I’ve often thought that in athletics if an Olympic gold medal holder / world champion transitioned they could hold both the male and female record.

If this ever happens do you think it would be a trans woman or a trans man that could potentially achieve this 🤔?

Lisa is a fucking coward. Lisa supports male rapists in women’s prison but fails to take a side here?
How intellectually craven.

An example of the TRA argument that stood out to me was that Flo Jo’s 100 m time was faster than Jenner’s.

Flo Jo was a sprinter - fastest woman in the world - Jenner was a decathlete not a sprinter. This kind of argument is ridiculous.

Sophie Ridge on Sky News has just asked Lisa Nandy about Caitlin Jenner's comments. Lisa said it should be left to sports bodies to decide.

Perhaps we should have trans olympics in the way we have paralympics

Sure.

Or this denial of the material reality of sex could actually just stop. Shift the paradigm back to accepting that bodies are either formed male or female and accept that some males feel more comfortable as living as women. And not trying to force acceptance as a woman when material reality counts.

We could get the medical community to, I don’t know, encourage resilience in accepting material reality. that if you have a male body and have gender dysphoria, you don’t ‘become’ a female. And just because you then choose to have treatment, you are actually like any other person who has to choose to have treatment that might mean you cannot compete in sport at the standard you wish or even in the sport you wish. But that material reality exists and if you are a male, you compete as a male.

And failing that, yes, then set up your own sports category with your own rules.

Totally agree. Was so pleased to read this I. The news this morning SHOUT LOUDER KAITLYN!!!!

Perhaps we should have trans olympics in the way we have paralympics?

The issues I see with that are:

1. There probably aren't enough trans athletes to make up a full olympics
2. TRAs will accuse the organisers of creating a "trans ghetto", because 'TWAW'
3. TW see themselves as women so they feel it's their "right" to compete in women's sport.
4. Would it be financially viable? From the point of attendance/viewing figures etc.

I'm not an avid sport watcher but I'd certainly support a trans olympics or some form of trans competition. I think all these sporting organisations need to grow a backbone and regulate against this unfairness asap as it's messing with world records and women's achievements - whether that be at grass roots or professional level.

So I doubt they will say anything either way on this.

I think a lot of this is politically motivated, but I also think that CJ isn't stupid and if they started going on about how transwomen should play in women's sports people would be highly given that CJ themselves won a Gold medal in an exclusively male sport!

Perhaps we should have trans olympics in the way we have paralympics

absolutely! third spaces, generally, are the way to go. That way everyone gets their needs met and their rights protected.

I don’t agree that it is only politically motivated. They could have retrofitted their sports history like their other personal history but haven’t. Because I think the incongruance of being a decathlete and then stating they believe transwomen should compete against females is a step too far.

Their stating this doesn’t change anything else about them though. It just means on this one issue I agree with them. Like the sky is blue and stopped clocks.

I do think 2 extra categories for sport should be created. I have a trans friend I cannot even imagine how she was ever a man but... she goes around winning women’s triathlons and other competitions and that doesn’t seem fair.

Perhaps we should have trans olympics in the way we have paralympics?

Another point about women’s sports is that top-level sports are a platform and showcase. There is a ripple effect when we see injustice in top-level sports. If women and girls have to accept injustice there, we have to accept it everywhere. And so it builds.

Yes that was appalling.

No fawning at all from me.

if CJ can win the olympics as a woman competing in the men’s events, then there’s obviously nothing that transwomen can’t do if they put their backs into it!

And yet, activists won’t see it that way. And will minimize Jenner’s contribution to political beliefs etc. except they are one of highest performing trans athletes when you look at it. That can’t be denied.

And like the TdF trans winner, their sport is not offered to women which is another undeniable fact.

Let’s not forget that here’s a woman who’s husband of many years, father to her children, decided that he was really a she and left her very publicly then expects her to support this and fawn all over them. If anyone should have been awarded ‘Woman of the Year’ it should have been Chris Jenner.

Of course they’re all shouting about “the evidence” that transwomen/trans girls have no advantage, without being able to produce any of it.

Fortunately, plenty of people are posting the evidence of all the advantages of male physiology that are not cancelled out by hormones.

*Oops I mean trans women/girls

Is it too much to hope that the bloody Kardashians with their huge influence will come out in support of this statement by Caitlyn? My respect for Caitlyn has gone through the roof, I might have a crumb of respect for one of the Kardashians if they had the guts/brains to support this

I agree this is for political gain rather than Jenner particularly caring about women and girls. However, I'll take it.

What I'd love to see is a push to keep sports single sex, but to focus on openly including people who are trans or gender non-conforming. So the men's team is for biological men, but trans women/boys are also welcome and there's no tolerance for anyone taking the piss for someone presenting in a feminine way, just as we're also cracking down on racism and homophobia in sport. I know many TRAs would not accept this but I think it would be a really positive message.