University staff given list of banned 'microinsults' they cannot say to trans people

I wonder when men are going wander around in hair shirts flagellating themselves for millennia's worth of crimes against women. All references to famous men will be eradicated from language ... and so on.

So, what is the proposed new unit to replace the Newton then? I can imagine the exams saying "a force of 5 rainbows is applied....." And teaching people to "calculate velocity using the laws whose name we don't mention". Kind of like Voldemort. But that brings JK into it. Aargh. Maybe we need to leave long established things be while recognising what was wrong and be more careful about who we honour in the future? As for language policing, it hasn't reached my workplace yet but there's time. My brother works at one of the places mentioned on here and says it's really awful now trying not to say something that is deemed offensive.

Not only speech but actions as well, eg avoidance, so women are advised to speak and act in a certain way to satisfy the demands of a minority even though it may come as a cost to them (women). I note that there are no boundaries or expectations placed on the minority, ie there is no reciprocity.

As ever, women are supposed to give in.

As to the question upthread about what happens to students who break these language-policing policies: likely nothing. As the above example illustrates, there is very little a student can do these days that will result in their being rusticated. I'm personally aware of a male student making an explicit rape threat against a female staff member. The result: he was offered support and counselling. She was expected to carry on teaching him as though nothing had happened.

This policy applies to staff alone. And I agree that the 'avoidant behaviour' caveat is coercive and extremely worrying.

The subject of this thread is "microinsults" towards trans people and how that controls women's speech, and what is happening at Edinburgh university. It's quite an interesting thread for the uninitiated.

Horrible isn't it. The refusal to believe is really quite something. I don't know a single woman in real life who hasn't been subjected to some level of sexual assault. Both on and off campus.

It always terrifies me when women who draw attention to violence against women are called liars.

Again.

"The Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) year ending March 2020 estimated 2.9% of women (618,000) and 0.7% of men (155,000) aged 16 to 74 years experienced sexual assault (including attempts) in the last year."

Who was talking to you Butwasitherdriveway? What is the matter with you?

I'm not wilfully misunderstanding anything . I'm pointing out the lies.

And I have been to uni. Twice as it happens.

And there certainly wasn't an alarming number of rapes.

These discussions - particularly where there are conflicting rights (eg women and transwomen) cannot be about individuals; they really have to be about structures & principles, because otherwise, we're bogged down in personal feelings. Never a good basis for laws or policies.

Well said, Solid

And all of this now-towing to this group is good for neither them (as they just behave like spoiled children who threaten to "thcream and thcream until they're thick" to misquote Violet Elizabeth Bott) nor other people who are forced against science and common sense to give in to their ridiculous demands, and from which everyone, particularly women and children, will suffer.

We must really be vigilant, there is so much precedent for human societies becoming brutal totalitarian and authoritarian regimes.

I am genuinely fearful of the complacency of democracies. Well we seem to be moving towards more of an oligarchy don’t we, or a kind of theocracy?

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/sexualoffencesvictimcharacteristicsenglandandwales/march2020

Some alarming population-level statistics here.

"The Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) year ending March 2020 estimated 2.9% of women (618,000) and 0.7% of men (155,000) aged 16 to 74 years experienced sexual assault (including attempts) in the last year."

It is not unreasonable to expect that 50,000 of these were experienced by women who are university students or staff and on or near campus and/or by fellow students or staff.

I'm wondering if that poster is a woman who has been to university
I'm guessing not.

I'm wondering if that poster is a woman who has been to university. 50,000 cases of sexual abuse across England and Wales per year seems like a very low estimate to me. That's in the hundreds per university. Given that most women have experienced sexual abuse or harassment by that age, and universities offer very little comeback or protection, and students away from home are more vulnerable than previously, and reporting of rape and sexual assault is very low - and certainly from what I remember of university myself - it is likely to be much higher.

recent research by jess taylor here

There's only one poster on this thread who continually tries to derail, (and wilfully misunderstands) and there's no prizes for guessing who it is.

The article I linked talks about the lack of support from Universities to those who report that they have been sexually assaulted. This is particularly chilling -

'Due, in part, to fears about privacy laws, complainants were treated only as witnesses, with no right to rebut counter-claims about their credibility made by the accused, she said.'

If I was currently a woman at University, I would have concerns at the level of this 'rape culture' and the failure by the University to address it while prioritising the limitation of staff's speech regarding microaggressions.

'Nearly one in 10 female students who responded to a study of sexual violence in higher education said they had been raped. How did it get to this?'

‘The University of Cambridge admitted to “a significant problem” following the introduction of an anonymous reporting system that led to 173 complaints being made in nine months.’

Fri 2 Mar 2018 09.00 GMT The Guardian

For the benefit of people reading this thread who are actually interested

revoltsexualassault.com/research/

www.theguardian.com/education/2021/apr/15/universities-ignoring-culture-warnings-say-campaigners

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/02/universities-rape-epidemic-sexual-assault-students

www.itv.com/news/2021-04-14/revealed-the-scale-of-sexual-harassment-and-assault-at-the-uks-universities

I don't know what your perceived level of 'alarming numbers' is but this article would seem to indicate at the very least a big problem. www.theguardian.com/education/2021/apr/15/universities-ignoring-culture-warnings-say-campaigners

I'm not thought policing women I'm pointing out lies.

And you think they're lies because I won't go and gather the evidence and deliver it to you for your perusal? 🤣 Okay. ☺️

I'm not engaging with you anymore. I don't wish to participate in a thread derailment with you. ☺️

[quote Chersfrozenface]@Butitwasherdrieway, does your question "Are they?" refer to "female students are being raped at universities at an alarming rate" or "Newcastle University [being] more interested in thought policing women rather than dealing with actual harm to them"?

Because if it's the first, I suggest you start by reading the House of Commons briefing paper Number 08117, 30 April 2021, 'Sexual harassment in education' commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8117/ and the report it refers to on page 16 in the paragraph "A 2020 report, Unsafe Spaces. Ending Sexual Abuse in Universities, estimated that at least 50,000 students are sexually abused at universities in England and Wales every year."[/quote]
50,000. 🙄

Raped? Women?

I'm not thought policing women I'm pointing out lies.