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University staff given list of banned 'microinsults' they cannot say to trans people

545 replies

ChristinaXYZ · 01/05/2021 12:34

From the Telegraph. the last para make you want to weep -

A Newcastle University spokesman said: "We want our campus to be a welcoming and safe place for everyone who studies, works or visits here, regardless of gender, race, class, age or disability."

But it would seem they are not bothered about making people feel welcome regardless of sex, as they don't even mention it.

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BaseDrops · 01/05/2021 13:57

@SuperLoudPoppingAction

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/disabled-students-five-years-of-sheer-hell-at-university/

I wish universities would do something about discrimination against people with disabilities. I think it would have a huge impact on access to higher education.

This. Where is the work being done in education from nursery to post grad to sort out disability discrimination?
CoffeeWithCheese · 01/05/2021 13:57

@R0wantrees

Sheffield apparently has blackballed Isaac Newton.

What crimes has Newton been accused of?

De Montfort Uni students union are trying to force a name change there as well for historical transgressions. Middle of a year of the worst fucking student experience ever and they're farting about with that.

Loads of people rocking the rainbow lanyards - not so much trans allies as suckers for a freebie and the standard ones are itchy as fuck around the neck.

Sophoclesthefox · 01/05/2021 13:53

@ARoombaOfOnesOwn

What crimes has Newton been accused of?

Newton’s first three laws are heteronormative. My physics will be intersectional or it will be bullshit.

😂
YetAnotherSpartacus · 01/05/2021 13:52

It's OK. Gravity is a particle, a wave, and a vector space. It was intersectional before it was fashionable.

R0wantrees · 01/05/2021 13:49

Racism. He’s supposed to have benefitted from the Slave Trade
Wish I’d heard the reaction when the Physics department was told!

Making Newton, his laws and newtons unmentionable would be tricky.

blackwhiteandstripey · 01/05/2021 13:49

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ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 01/05/2021 13:48

What crimes has Newton been accused of?

Newton’s first three laws are heteronormative. My physics will be intersectional or it will be bullshit.

GreyhoundG1rl · 01/05/2021 13:45

@Tanith

“ R0wantrees Sheffield apparently has blackballed Isaac Newton.

What crimes has Newton been accused of?”

Racism. He’s supposed to have benefitted from the Slave Trade 🙄

Wish I’d heard the reaction when the Physics department was told! Grin

These are university students... We are doomed.
ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 01/05/2021 13:45

This is both bonkers and chilling at the same time. You’re going to need Handmaid’s Tale-style phrases like ‘under his eye’ in order to communicate around trans people.

Tanith · 01/05/2021 13:42

“ R0wantrees
Sheffield apparently has blackballed Isaac Newton.

What crimes has Newton been accused of?”

Racism. He’s supposed to have benefitted from the Slave Trade 🙄

Wish I’d heard the reaction when the Physics department was told! Grin

MrGHardy · 01/05/2021 13:42

At least trans people have a gender identity. Gender identity is obviously so crucial to humans and I don't even have one, nevermind cis or trans. Surely I am the most oppressed of them all.

Sophoclesthefox · 01/05/2021 13:37

Scholars should also not place "excess focus on anatomical sex markers"

If only they actually meant something useful by this, like encouraging young women not to tolerate ogling and groping.

They don’t though, do they?

GreyhoundG1rl · 01/05/2021 13:36

@ArabellaScott

Edinburgh University has drawn up phrases that staff cannot use

Amazing.

Christ alive. 1984 is truly upon us.
SuperLoudPoppingAction · 01/05/2021 13:33

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/disabled-students-five-years-of-sheer-hell-at-university/

I wish universities would do something about discrimination against people with disabilities. I think it would have a huge impact on access to higher education.

2bazookas · 01/05/2021 13:33

Yawn. As if. Whatever. Bzzzt.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 01/05/2021 13:31

@YetAnotherSpartacus

Meanwhile, the glass ceiling for women academics lives on unchallenged, women do the bulk of the first year teaching whilst watching younger men shoot ahead with promotions, and there are multiple, daily, aggressions and microaggressions leveled at and experienced by women and no one gives a proverbial.
Well, quite.

Scholars should also not place "excess focus on anatomical sex markers".

I would like someone to explain what constitutes "excess focus" in pathology research, anatomy research, a fair amount of biomedical research, reproductive biology etc.

As for many of the other remarks - I can reflect on a fairly lengthy career, a portion of which has been in research depts. and I've never used those phrases. I can, however, provide an extensive list of incidents of sexual harassment for which I've been the recipient as well as working in a deeply unpleasant general culture - but, as YetAnotherSpartacus indicates, that doesn't seem to be relevant.

MissBarbary · 01/05/2021 13:30

@R0wantrees

Sheffield apparently has blackballed Isaac Newton.

What crimes has Newton been accused of?

Gravity?

Colonialism- I'm just going out but try Spiked and Frank Furedi for more info.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 01/05/2021 13:30

As an autistic person I find it very hard to engage with pronouns. Not just personal pronouns. Any pronouns seem to be very ambiguous to me.
I often do refer to people by their name for this reason.
It seems very odd and possibly discriminatory to ban this as 'avoidant'

UppityPuppity · 01/05/2021 13:30

MissBarbary

Edinburgh University has drawn up phrases that staff cannot use, including saying "all women hate their periods" and "all people think about being the opposite gender sometimes"

In my own case both of those statements are untrue so I would not be particularly pleased at hearing them being put forward as a universal truth.

I read this as meaning that only women have periods and the complaint is the blanket assumption that all women hate their periods. After all, it’s exclusionary to the women who derive great relief at their period when they are worried that they have an unwanted pregnancy.

I suggest you make a formal complaint about this clear literal violence that only women have periods.

DaisiesandButtercups · 01/05/2021 13:23

It is terrifying Sophoclesthefox. How is this not recognised as being authoritarian by academics of all people.

We must be forced to demonstrate our support and beliefs. As you say “you can’t even do a quiet act of conscientious objection by melting away from any confrontation”

Many are going to end up in a state of anxiety any time a trans individual is in the same room fearful of demonstrating “avoidant behaviour” let alone inadvertently saying the wrong thing or using the wrong pronoun.

It is a way of purging wrong thinkers from higher education by making interactions with others such high stakes, it enables bullying and the stress experienced by some could be unbearable.

Will this be extended to students I wonder who may be thrown of their courses?

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 01/05/2021 13:23

Possibly besides the point but I really wish actual gays (tm) could keep hold of rainbow stuff. It's very disappointing thinking someone in your life might be gay and therefore understand a bit about your life/circumstances when in fact they are engaging in performative virtue signalling and unlikely to even be able to critically engage with a gaydom-related issue you might be having.

Hazel444 · 01/05/2021 13:21

"Being cisgender comes with social privilege. That's even for people who are socially disadvantaged in other ways."

What the actual fuck? Why are they trying to position trans people as worse off than those generationally affected by systemic racism/ethnic cleansing etc.? Why this incessant need for victimhood? And not just any victimhood, but the most victimy victimhood that there ever was..

R0wantrees · 01/05/2021 13:20

Sheffield apparently has blackballed Isaac Newton.

What crimes has Newton been accused of?

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 01/05/2021 13:18

Back at the beginning of the century, I was given a scholarship for being a female Engineer. (£500 I think, so a lot for a student but not a lot... Then another for A level grades which all the UK students on my specialised course got). Would such a scholarship count as an aggression towards any potential Trans engineers?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 01/05/2021 13:17

Surely this is all totally counterproductive?

My behaviour towards trans people has changed because of this sort of nonsense. I don't want to say something that is clumsy, even if it is well meaning, and get accused of committing a hate crime. There is a trans person I know who is "trying out" names - so they are on about the 5th name, it is very difficult to remember which of the names are now dead names and I am cautious about getting it wrong and landing up on the receiving end of an upset rainbow.

So, I avoid that person now.

It is totally counterproductive to try and police people's behaviour and communication in this way. Adults should be able to manage people saying things which are a bit less than ideal. Christ knows I manage it every day.