BBC article on Elliot Page

Genuine question, how do you describe "being trans"?

My comments have made it clear what I think if you read them.
I'm not answering over and over and again until it's an answer you'll "accept."

@Quaagars
Can you answer this question which Notagain20 asked you earlier?

Genuine question, how do you describe "being trans"? Because that makes this conversation possible. If it means having acute dysphoria about having a female instead of male body, for Elliot, then I would absolutely accept that they are trans by that definition. If it means that they are really a male person, have always been a male person, who was somehow born in a female body, then I will struggle to unquestioningly accept their self definition I'm afraid. Can you see why people will have different views on this, and still all wish Elliot or someone in their position well?

Thanks for proving my point Quaagers

I imagine, like a lot of women who find out their partner isn't who they thought they were she feels bereft, confused and like the relationship was a lie.

As you are ironically proving

b, not be able to speak out about how she feels for fear of being denounced as a bigot.

You're assuming she feels the same way as you do though.

I was thinking about her too OhHolyJesus when Page first came out as trans. It must have been devestating to;
a, lose a relationship in such an awful way
b, not be able to speak out about how she feels for fear of being denounced as a bigot.

I hope she has a good support network around her.

She is a trans widow and I wasn't surprised when early statements of support were followed by the announcement of their divorce.

So she supported Elliot then?

How does that tie in with if so
I think of her loss and how heartbreaking it must be for her to watch this interview. I hope she hasn't seen it. I hope her friends and family are holding her close.

Unless you're trying to say can't possibly be supportive, must have been forced or emotionally blackmailed into it?
Apologies if not but that's how it comes across

@Quaagars I'd genuinely really appreciate it if you could respond to this q I asked earlier, because I'm trying to get my head round the difference. Thanks

This feature might also have helped any young woman, like the 1000's of girls on the Tavistock waiting list, who dream that following in poor Elliot's footsteps might be the solution to their distress.

www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-testimony-old-fashioned-butch-dyke/

Elliott Page doesn't come across as someone who is happy. He really seemed to find it difficult to answer the question about what was the thing that made him happiest about his transition.
I'm not sure how anyone could watch that and think 'there is a person who's finally comfortable and content with themself'

I haven't read the full thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned, but when I see Page I think of Emma, the soon-to-be (I assume, lawyers and paperwork pending) ex-wife.

She is a trans widow and I wasn't surprised when early statements of support were followed by the announcement of their divorce.

I think of her loss and how heartbreaking it must be for her to watch this interview. I hope she hasn't seen it. I hope her friends and family are holding her close.

I hope she isn't being affected in her work.

Lastly, I hope she, and other lesbians like her, are getting help, the type of help and support all trans widows need. I suppose she is no longer in the relationship and there are no children, so she isn't trapped how other women who are trans widows are, but she has lost the love of her life in a way that is unusual and she needs a special kind of support. I hope she finds her others like her so to release all she has inside, a grief of some kind.

I hope she is ok and finds happiness again.

blackwhiteandstripey

Thanks for that - you might also like this link; another brave young man who de-transitioned and managed to get his story out.

www.transgendertrend.com/letter-to-young-trans-people/

Now picture a man in that photo with short sleeves, no sleeves, or in shorts

And every single inch of skin hairless- waxed, tanned and polished. Any body hair on show ridiculed and called disgusting, front page of every paper.. any bulge or hint of cellulite or stretch mark analysed and criticised..

Re this “uncomfortable in a dress” business. I’m always struck by photos of men and women together at black tie events. The women are at least 50% naked. Usually arms, maybe legs, back, shoulders, some chest. Dress likely to be body-hugging. Now picture a man in that photo with short sleeves, no sleeves, or in shorts. Never! Only hands and face on display. I always feel exposed in any kind of evening dress or cocktail dress. That’s what they are designed to do. Whereas men wear a version of their normal clothes, maybe with added cummerbund to hold the belly.

yes, there's a big difference between "not appreciated" and "find offensive". I find the term offensive. I am a woman, not a sub grouping of woman that is on an equal par with someone that grew up with male privilege and went through a male puberty.

HQ, I would still really appreciate an answer to my question, please. ‘Cisgender’ is not just ‘not appreciated’ by the GC feminist community - it’s considered highly offensive. Why is this not a reason to ban it?

The tone of the Oprah piece that disturbs me - is here we have a person suffering, in acute mental distress, broadcast live into our homes - some element reminds me that the Victorians used to pay to go to see very ill people, in Bedlam - it was also considered entertainment. Keira Bell also needed help - more than 3 hours of 'affirmative therapy' - before making life-changing decisions. Fear she'll join the leagues of regretters, hope that she finds peace. These poor Swedish men - amongst the earliest transitioners - lived to feel they had destroyed their lives in pursuit of an impossible goal. I'll light a candle for Elliot and hope everything works out for her and for the 1000's of other girls trying to find solutions through leaving our sex behind.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn

I despair.

Oh. They deleted my post because it quoted yours, KaleSlayer.

I’m logging off for a bit now but if I get an email, l’ll report back. Although hopefully they’ll reply on the thread.