Guardian hits new low

Crowdfunding sites are now being heavily used to raise money for hormones and surgery. There are hundreds of young people raising thousands and thousands of dollars on there. I suspect these sites have been a game changer for the private surgery industry and perhaps one of the drivers behind this current trend, given the way it enables youngsters below serious earning age to get hold of money and proceed with hormones and surgery without the sort of assessments and checks the NHS or medical insurers would provide, or the support of parents for their surgery.

Agree with the earlier poster who asked why the producers didn’t challenge the statement about “kids will die” (unless they have access to a mastectomy, etc). Normalisation of suicide as a likely outcome in an interview with two such big stars is irresponsible. EPs view could have been expressed in a more responsible way.

It doesn’t seem as though EP was comfortable in this interview - why do it all, I wonder? If you have been through so much turmoil, change, surgery, why not recover in privacy and go on tv when back at full physical and emotional strength....

I couldn't watch the whole video, very uncomfortable viewing

"not" missing from first line !

I am actively avoiding commenting on how Page looks
because the weight pressures in Hollywood are gruesome

my concern is that somebody who only switched from lesbian to trans a few months ago
has already undergone major life changing surgery
even Bruce Jenner only went under the knife after long periods of life as
what WERE the surgeons thinking ?
Did they not train in ethics?

Its incredibly uncomfortable to watch. I hope there are people who genuinely care for him around.

I'm sorry but that doesn't seem like someone who is happy and free. That is someone who is deeply troubled. It's very upsetting to watch

Agreed- I posted earlier about how thin Elliot looks, but it’s more than that, Elliot looks very much like they are unravelling fast

That's a deeply troubled person. It's very sad. I wonder how Page will feel about the decision in 10 years time. Or even 5 years' time. It doesn't seem like a tenable solution to the problems they're experiencing.

I'm sorry but that doesn't seem like someone who is happy and free. That is someone who is deeply troubled. It's very upsetting to watch.

34 years old and sounds, in more ways than one, like a twelve-year-old.
Has the voice always been that shaky?

nicky
Medicaid does not even cover the anti rejection drugs after a transplant in some states
let alone the people who cannot prove their right to Medicaid / Medicare

Are you absolutely certain about that point?

I was under the impression that the situation varied by state and that, in some states, for example Medicaid would cover this but in other states it won't. Likewise with employer funded insurance; some will and some won't.

Is that not the case?

Page doesn't come across as someone who wants to be in the spotlight. He seems very fragile and it's uncomfortable to watch. The quote about not feeling like themselves since they were ten years old almost sounds as if Page would rather return to a time of childhood and pre-pubescence, not being objectified as a woman, and the surgery has allowed them to reclaim that. Pure armchair psychology, mind.

I hope it makes EP truly, radiantly, deeply happy.
There will be a huge amount of pressure to live the rest of his life as a performance of having made the right decision. Just as Tom Cruise yelled his undying love jumping from Oprah's sofa, EP is telling us and himself that everything will be OK now.
And if it's not? Well, everything will just have to be OK.

'But the thing is, on top of all this, we are also told time and again that being trans is not a mental illness and that it is offensive and transphobic to suggest that it is.'

Aside from everything else, the way the trans lobby talk as though mental health issues are something shameful that they want to avoid the 'stigma' of isn't exactly 'woke'!

I think this person seems very troubled. I note that their marriage has also ended recently- seems like a lot of upheaval. The Guardian follows this article with links to previous articles concerning Page. Interesting reading. So sad that Page felt this was the only option for them.

I'm being very careful with my words.

I am really frightened for Page and the fact that journalists are encouraging this behaviour make me think of Bashir with Michael Jackson.

I watched the clip on the Guardian page, and I was struck by how vulnerable and unwell Page seems. I know that everyone is celebrating Page being their 'true self' but Page doesn't seem happy at all. Page seems incredibly depressed, to be honest. Page talks about the transition in religious terms - it's 'miraculous', 'life changing'. Also some doomsday elements - if you don't let 'trans kids play sports' they will 'die', apparently. In fact, it's worse than a religion because at least born again Christians in my experience are super enthusiastic and happy clappy at first.

Do you think there's the slightest chance of Page turning up in something cheerful on screen? Or will Page continue to be a permanent woe-fest with a face like a slapped arse?

I wonder....

“Children will die,” Page said. “And it really is that simple.” Disingenuous, wilfully ignoring reality, or spoken from a troubled mindset (in which case addressing those issues might help)? It's neither simple nor true as stated.

so why is gender different ?

Because for the most part these days it's centred on men's wants. Everything else is negated based on how a person feels or what they think, with validation of those feelings at the fore and everything else unnecessary. It's madness, and it really can't go on.

weebarra

Letsget
As per threads passim I have a friend who had their full surgery as soon as they could at the age of 18.
I care not whether they were physically ill or mentally ill.

The point is that modern medical treatments have no checks and balances
THAT will turn into malpractice

Elliot Page appears to be trying to trans away the gay.

I find it very sad.

None of it makes any sense.

What I saw in the Elliot Page clips was someone with obvious mental distress about their body.