Maya Forstater is entitled to her views, but anti-transgender beliefs don’t belong in the workplace

just not to bring them into the workplace and inflict them on their colleagues.

I wouldn't be able to do my job if I didn't bring these views into the workplace. Facts are important.

Wait a mo... if Gregor can't tell which one (if, indeed, either) is 'the woman', how does Gregor possibly know whether the couple is het, and whether both or either are 'Cis'?

Good question!

More or less Maya's legal team's argument too, in a nutshell. If those who believe in sex based spaces had not had alternative views

There are times when one's views and the materialisation of beliefs are relevant to one's work activities/duties and should be expressed within the workplace. As R0 reminds us:

no UK law [requires] women not to bring their knowledge of Safeguarding, the material reality and relevance of sex or the importance of women's rights legislation into the workplace.

Some of the current breaches of human rights in England involve staff who are (mistakenly) under the belief or have been told that they must ignore all of these. Eg, prison staff come to mind.

those who hold views like hers, should be perfectly entitled to hold them – just not to bring them into the workplace and inflict them on their colleagues.

More or less Maya's legal team's argument too, in a nutshell. If those who believe in sex based spaces had not had alternative views inflicted on them in the workplace regardless of their own beliefs or consent, there would be no problem. It's confusing that the writers don't seem to feel their preferred values should be reciprocal.

White and Mullready,
In our view the right position, and one which, we believe, reflects the true legal position, and the moral values of this country, is one in which Forstater and those who hold views like hers, should be perfectly entitled to hold them – just not to bring them into the workplace and inflict them on their colleagues.

It may come as a shock (and no doubt disappointment) for the authors to discover that there is no UK law requiring women not to bring their knowledge of Safeguarding, the material reality and relevance of sex or the importance of women's rights legislation into the workplace.

As to the morals which might demand women's silent compliance and denial of Safeguarding principles at work on threat of firing, they may be the authors' but they are not (thankfully) those of the majority in UK in 2020.

In a way it's of course reassuring that the only way the writers could think of to make out "Forstater bad! Forstater must lose!!" was to misrepresent not only Maya herself and the facts about what happened but also even the issues at the hearing. It's frustrating to see such mendacious twaddle in print, but it's not as if it's a real newspaper.

My new favourite thing is to ask cis/het couples "which one is the woman?

Wait a mo... if Gregor can't tell which one (if, indeed, either) is 'the woman', how does Gregor possibly know whether the couple is het, and whether both or either are 'Cis'?

What a way to use your legal training. If the authors are capable of shame they should be feeling it.

At least when they do it in court they've got someone on the other side to counter it. Who's going to get the equivalent amount of space in the Independent?

If no-one, then this sort of adversarial approach is not acceptable. Some more objective should be writing these pieces.

My new favourite thing is to ask cis/het couples "which one is the woman?

I bet he doesn’t. He imagines doing this and in his imagination the whole pub stands up and applauds his brave witty transgressiveness.

In reality he’d just get a funny look and the couple would start talking to someone else.

Particularly because a few people are under the impression, from the article, that Maya Fostarter has misgendered and harassed a trans work colleague. The article has led to that ambiguity.

It seemed to me that the article was very very carefully constructed to give this misleading impression while not containing any individual sentences which were lies.

What a way to use your legal training. If the authors are capable of shame they should be feeling it.

My new favourite thing is to ask cis/het couples "which one is the woman?

Repulsive little worm.

www.facebook.com/TheIndependentOnline/posts/10159361166056636

Try this.

Has anyone a link to the facebook independent page with the article? I've scrolled through but can't see it?

Can you help me understand the context of why you feel we should give you this information? As we stand here here at the bus stop wishing the timetable was based on reality rather than aspiration - are you looking for help with a really bad seaside postcard?

Their! Fuck...

Does Gregor identify as world famous or is it a real thing? One can't always tell with some people.

Gregor is now an internationally famous non binary. The world now understands non binary, thanks to Gregor. They deserves lots of special awards for they services to the visibility of non binary people worldwide.

My new favourite thing is to ask cis/het couples "which one is the woman

The only legitimate response to that is "Fuck off" surely? It's very rude.

• Gregor Murray recently tweeted "My new favourite thing is to ask cis/het couples "which one is the woman?"*

Gregor must really enjoy seeing eye rolls. Including, I'd imagine, from trans people thinking 'with friends like this...'

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