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Sexnotgender · 27/04/2021 16:03

Excellent questions being asked of Humza on twitter.

I believe he’s blocking women rather than answering.

Do any of our Muslim members know the answer to the question in the photo as Humza hasn’t answered it.

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Jacopo · 30/04/2021 07:47

Great posts Nicegerbil and I agree with everything you’ve said, my main reason for contemplating a spoiled vote is that I’m in a marginal SNP seat (although others seem to be getting more marginal by the day) so I want to put something on it that makes them have to read it and argue that it’s a vote for them.
I hope you’re right that mass demonstrations would work but I won’t hold my breath. Brexit etc.

NiceGerbil · 30/04/2021 02:00

Jacopo I don't know where this idea came that they read and somehow consume the messages on spoiled ballots.

If you want them to know then email them. Tell them what you think.

I don't envy you the choices in Scotland tbh. Watching Alex s essentially going all out to ruin the party he brought to power, because ego. Is incredible. Says a lot about him as a person.

Anyway. Yeah no good choices anywhere are there. Vote for who you want to vote for, this issue aside. Not voting is.. a kind of depressing protest, disenfranchising yourself.

Email and say why you didn't vote X. At least that will be read.

Prepare for the mass protests in... October? When covid has calmed down and the schools are back Grin

NiceGerbil · 30/04/2021 01:55

All of this is beyond the realm of protest votes etc etc

None of the parties in Scotland or England/ Wales are prepared to stand up for women at all.

Not to exclude NI but I don't know where they're at on this and there is an awful lot going on over there right now.

Anyway.

This is not a party political issue. It's a genuine women's issue. All women. And despite what's said, the vast majority of men and women are not on board with it at even a fairly mild level let alone prisons etc.

Men aren't going to speak out that much is clear I think.

No there's no one to vote for. This is a topic that lies outside the (broken) 'democratic' party political realm.

Women will start to put their political affiliations aside and get together on this.

That's what all the parties are missing. They rely on women being docile, reliable.

I think they're going to be in for a shock tbh.

All the politicians. Who have said. TWAW no debate. Refused to answer simple questions. Run away when asked about prisons. Framed women with concerns as bigots. Turned away when women who were party loyal activists for years were expelled. Said that 50% men 50% transwomen is a great result for women's representation.

All of them. None of them believe it but all have parroted this rubbish.

Women are going to say no. En masse. All of this is simply not acceptable. Taking our words, definitions. Reducing us to our reproductive body parts. Putting sex offenders who for some reason are bigger and stronger and 100% more capable of rape in prison with us. Saying it's fine for sport to be mixed and if women/ girls get hurt or give it up or lose its because they're not trying hard enough...

All of it. Women are increasingly becoming aware and are getting pretty pissed off.

Forget politics and look elsewhere for groups who support women. None of the parties give a shit (and the ones who say they do- London elections- ukip etc? Care about women? Har fucking har).

I fancy a big angry demo in London when covid allows. Let's make some noise.

Jacopo · 29/04/2021 23:37

I really hope that you are right and that we women in Scotland can have our say on Election Day. But it’s not easy. All the mainstream parties have thrown women under the bus. As you say, the only mainstream party standing up for women is Alba, led by Salmond, and the irony of that is extraordinary. However if you support independence and women’s rights then a vote for Alba on the list vote is the best thing you can do. On the constituency vote it gets much trickier. The Greens are even more pro-trans and anti-women than the SNP and that’s saying something. Labour and Lib Dems not much better. Conservatives if you can trust them seem to be a bit more inclined towards at least allowing freedom of speech. But I can’t bring myself to vote Tory. As stated above, it’s a shit show for women’s rights in Scotland now, and that ultimately is the fault of the SNP - who I used to vote for.
I am currently contemplating the best way to spoil my constituency ballot paper in such a way as to get the message through to SNP HQ as to why they've lost my vote. And I will vote Alba on the list.
Apologies for the rant to English voters who aren’t involved in the SNP shit show.

Waitwhat23 · 29/04/2021 19:36

Although I find the current state of affairs for women in Scotland deeply depressing on a political level, I am heartened by the amounts of grassroots feminism which is going on. Ribboning the suffragette colours, slates and stickers being left with political messages, shoes to show women voters walking away from parties who don't support them, campaigns like 'women won't wheesht', 'women are watching' and 'if you don't respect my sex, don't expect my x', and of course the brilliant work of organisations like For Women Scotland. Women are angry and will have their say on election day.

Sexnotgender · 29/04/2021 19:00

@ExitChasedByABee

Thank you so much Brew. I had no idea this was happening Sad I am surprised this Bill was allowed to be passed and now to repeal it will be difficult without alienating the trans/pro trans voters.
Scotland is an absolute shitshow right now for women’s rights.

Ironically the only party really putting their head above the parapet and explicitly standing up for women’s rights is Alba. When I’d rather vote for a party lead by Alex Salmond than a woman I know we’re in the twilight zone.

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Sexnotgender · 29/04/2021 18:58

The mysterious voodoo of sex assignment has given us a female child @MidsomerMurmurs

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/04/2021 18:37

We are left with a law that now protects cross-dressing men, but not women.

Just to be clear this poster is not calling transwomen "cross dressing men". This bill specifically protects cross dressing men in addition to transwomen (and everyone else apart from women).

MidsomerMurmurs · 29/04/2021 18:34

@littlbrowndog

Congrats sexnotgender💐💐💐

Has the baby been assigned a gender yet 😉🤣

Congrats, and good question about whether a gender has been assigned but also what about the sex of the baby: haven’t we repeatedly been told that sex too is assigned at birth in some mysterious process? Or has that changed now?

(it’s hard to keep up given that certain organisations spent ages saying that people could be born in the wrong body, but now apparently they never said that and nobody ever said that…)

ExitChasedByABee · 29/04/2021 18:21

Thank you so much Brew. I had no idea this was happening Sad I am surprised this Bill was allowed to be passed and now to repeal it will be difficult without alienating the trans/pro trans voters.

BetsyM00 · 29/04/2021 18:15

Johann Lamont proposed an amendment to the Forensic Medical Services bill to allow rape victims to ask for a forensic examiner of a specific sex (rather than gender). Having initially refused to change the wording in the bill, the SNP dropped their opposition at the last minute. Only the Greens and LibDems voted against the amendment. The bill was passed into law last December.
www.thenational.scot/news/18936441.msps-overwhelmingly-vote-replace-gender-sex-rape-support-law/

Since then we have had the Hate Crime Bill which, despite the independently commissioned review recommending sex be added to the characteristics covered, the Scottish Govt refused to do. We are left with a law that now protects cross-dressing men, but not women.

Humza Yousaf was the Justice Minister responsible for the Hate Crime Bill and it is also under his watch that Police Scotland will allow rape suspects to self-identify as a woman...and the crimes will be recorded in the female statistics and the rapist will most likely go to a women's prison.
Archive of Times article: archive.ph/pup9v

Humza blocked a woman on Twitter rather than answer her very reasonable question, hence the hashtag AskHumza where he was asked lots of questions. And for a man seeking the popular vote ahead of the election it tells you all you need to know about his character that he chose to blank hundreds of women.

Think that's you brought up to speed!

334bu · 29/04/2021 18:13

Humza stupid autocorrect!

334bu · 29/04/2021 18:12

I don't think Humans will have any difficulty believing two totally opposing things at the same time. After all he tweeted this

mobile.twitter.com/humzayousaf/status/1299691570011217921?lang=en

while at the very same time as Justice Minister he is responsible for sending male prisoners into female only prisons.
A weather vane has nothing on Humza

ExitChasedByABee · 29/04/2021 18:08

[quote Waitwhat23]I believe Johann Lamont supported the Bill in general but asked for amendments to be made to include sex, which were voted down. I believe Adam Tomkin asked for amendments to allow private discussion in your own home to be free from legal action but again, I think this was voted down (I need to check).

Useful article - www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56341882[/quote]
Thank you. I just read the BBC article. It all sounds unclear, who defines what is threatening behaviour? What does he mean by a reasonable person. It sounds very subjective Confused

Mr Yousaf said: "If you are sitting round the dinner table having a debate about transgender identity and your view is that a man can't transition to a woman, that won't get you prosecuted.

"If your behaviour is found to be threatening or abusive by a reasonable person and it was intended to stir up hatred - and that can be proven beyond reasonable doubt - then you will be prosecuted."

Waitwhat23 · 29/04/2021 17:58

I believe Johann Lamont supported the Bill in general but asked for amendments to be made to include sex, which were voted down. I believe Adam Tomkin asked for amendments to allow private discussion in your own home to be free from legal action but again, I think this was voted down (I need to check).

Useful article - www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56341882

ExitChasedByABee · 29/04/2021 17:49

Ok so what I can gather that this guy is passing a bill in Scotland that will protect those who are trans but not biological women? Can someone please explain what Ms Lamont, Labour MSP is trying to say? Is she for or against the Bill? Or does she just want to amend it but she’s not opposed to it?

frazzledasarock · 29/04/2021 10:29

No way on earth a person with a penis would be allowed to pray in the women's section in a mosque.

No way a transman would be allowed to be the one who makes the call to prayer, or lead a congregational prayer, or allowed to pray shoulder to shoulder with men.

I've never heard of this Hamza person btw.

If he's a practicing Muslim there is no way he personally would pray behind a transman leading prayer, his prayer would be invalid

littlbrowndog · 29/04/2021 09:50

Good to hear you are waiting 👏👏

www.heraldscotland.com/news/19093782.justice-secretary-humza-yousaf-condemned-refusing-say-two-sexes/

Waitwhat23 · 29/04/2021 09:44

In terms of this particular discussion (I.e. Humza Yousaf being asked whether a transman would be allowed into a sex segregated religious space), it relates to his change in position from January 2021 when he first proposed a protection for the discussion or criticism of transgender identity which was then dropped due to pressure from SNP members claiming it was 'transphobic'. However, he said 'On the other hand, I was also persuaded that additional provision for religion was needed … reflecting the nature of religion as a characteristic being distinctive and different to the other characteristics' which affords greater limitations to religious criticism or discussion.

Sexnotgender · 29/04/2021 09:38

@littlbrowndog

Congrats sexnotgender💐💐💐

Has the baby been assigned a gender yet 😉🤣

We’ve decided to allow xem to assign xere own gender when older.
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littlbrowndog · 29/04/2021 09:33

And humza still doesn’t know how many sexes there are

He was asked but felt that his brain had stopped working in that interview and couldn’t answer

littlbrowndog · 29/04/2021 09:31

Congrats sexnotgender💐💐💐

Has the baby been assigned a gender yet 😉🤣

medebourne · 29/04/2021 09:29

Sex changes are not uncommon in Iran. Indeed, they are encouraged for gay men.

Waitwhat23 · 29/04/2021 09:28

The Scottish Government announced that there would be a 'working party' to look at misogyny as a crime when pressed to explain why sex wasn't included as a category to be protected under the Hate Crime Bill.

The working party will take at least a year to discuss the issue and it will then take a minimum of a year to actually draft something to go into law. Women asked why, given the length of time it will take, sex or misogyny couldn't be included under the Hate Crime Bill in the meantime in order to protect women....

No answer

Sexnotgender · 29/04/2021 09:25

Thank you for the links @littlbrowndog and @Waitwhat23 I’m a bit slow right now as I have a 2 week old baby who just wants to feed constantly!

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