Lesbian Visibility Week

Actually Shiz Mumsnet agrres with you that males can be lesbians too so how about that? Turns out we're both lebians! 🌈

So apparently one of my posts was a generalisation and the other a personal attack

I’m going to have to leave this thread now because I think the banhammer is hovering.

This thread has been massively illuminating.

Blindingly so.

Many, many factors, motivations and agendas have been revealed.

Thank you for the explanations ☀️

A special shout out to ... all the lesbians having to hide their true selves in countries around the world where their love is illegal.

Now that's where male lesbians score. A relationship between an adult male and an adult female isn't illegal anywhere, well apart from jurisdictions in which sex between unmarried partners is illegal. Heterosexual "lesbian" couples are good to go pretty much everywhere.

People are free to sleep with anyone who can give legal consent. But lesbians are female homosexuals. Males don't qualify. A relationship in which PIV sex is possible cannot be homosexual.

So, regarding my last post deletion, do we now have to agree that TW were BORN FEMALE or face deletion/banning?

And why can’t I post about the language creep from W/TW to CW/W?

I'm not attracted to penis.

Well I've reported this thread more than once and asked @MNHQ to clarify their stance on homophobic and goady posts and threads on Mumsnet being as this thread was started days ago.

Still to get a response from them so I guess the answer is that Mumsnet is in support of it. Well done @MNHQ Good job

Oh come on.

Okay. Well I'll leave you all to continue to believe what you wish.

Er, no. I think it's more you that wants to believe what you "wish". i.e. you are off in the realm of fantasy.

However trans women are women therefore they can be lesbians

So you're starting from a false premise and that's why you are getting confused about lesbians.

Don't tell others who they have to be by your standards.

Do you apply that same standard to racial self-identification? Probably not right?

Don't lie to people that self-identification is a form of magic that can turn you into something else.

What the fuck?

Does someone at MNHQ want to tell me why that last but one post was deleted?

Shizuku, you lost me.
You say:
That's OK - I was born female.

But you also said that with breast cancer screening you mentioned you were trans. So are you a transman then? Because I remember you saying you were a transwoman, which would mean someone with a male biology.

I agree with you Jenson.

Okay but I'm not just talking about women in this thread.

No woman who disagrees with you on this point would consider themselves "cis gender"

I think I'll carry on believing in the legal definition of the word 'lesbian', as R0wantrees helpfully highlighted upthread, thanks.

The word is taken. People who don't fit the definition - good luck to you, love whoever will have you & all that - but you need a different word.

Yes.

If you want to use "cisgender" along with transgender you need to acknowledge that there are women who are neither.

@Shizuku you agreed with this:

"No male born person can ever experience a same sex orientation to females...because they are of the opposite sex."

Agreed.

So as you are a transwoman you were male born(regardless of how you identify etc your body at birth was male) doesn't that mean you are agreeing you can't be a lesbian?

I am not "cisgender". Because it's your in-group label suggesting that women are a subset of our own sex. I don't believe in the things you do. I'm a woman. That is, an adult human female. Do not refer to me as "cisgender", as it's not a valid term for me.

Absolutely, just as you should end the gaslighting of young vulnerable lesbians who have partners who happen to be trans women, so they don't feel they have to only accept partners you approve of.

I couldn't care any less about consenting women who are happy to be in relationships with TW, that's not my concern. Good for them. I've never said they need my approval?

I'm talking specifically about the same sex attracted lesbians that are being coerced, sexually harassed, intimidated, bullied. People telling them that something is wrong with them simply because other women are in relationships with TW. This has made lesbians believe they need fixing (which sounds a lot like conversion therapy, no?), and has resulted in them sleeping with someone they didn't want to sleep with and are now traumatised as a result. I don't know how anyone can read those accounts I posted and not be absolutely sickened.

So would you agree that lesbians that are exclusively same sex attracted deserve their own spaces?

I think I'll carry on believing in the legal definition of the word 'lesbian', as R0wantrees helpfully highlighted upthread, thanks.

The word is taken. People who don't fit the definition - good luck to you, love whoever will have you & all that - but you need a different word.