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Excellent article by Susan Dalgety in The Scotsman about gender ideology

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2Rebecca · 24/04/2021 16:14

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/unlike-nicola-sturgeon-women-like-me-did-not-choose-their-pronouns-and-we-are-not-akin-to-racists-for-saying-so-susan-dalgety-3211810

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Wandawomble · 25/04/2021 09:22

@Thelnebriati

If you support rapists being placed in women's prisons, but you want to get picky over the wording of this article, do crack on.
Yep exactly this. I couldn’t give a toss what someone who doesn’t understand material reality has to say about anything - and it seems that the general public are waking up to the idealogical nonsense that has snuck in by the back door and saying wtf?
FrankensteinIsTheMonster · 25/04/2021 05:45

I thought it was poorly written. The phrasing was very clumsy and it wasn't persuasive. I agree with it, but I won't let that affect whether I think it's well-written.

Not that I could do any better, of course.

PaddleBoardingMomma · 25/04/2021 03:15

@Shizuku

"My name is Susan Dalgety, and I am a feminist. I believe that human beings are born with either male or female sex gametes (egg cells for women, sperm for men). "

Actually, sperm production doesn't start until puberty. I mean if you can't get even the most basic biological facts right in your opening sentence, it doesn't bode well for the rest of the article.

She said men and women, not girls and boys... suggesting adult humans, post puberty, making your comment pedantic and entirely invalid. But I see why you attempted this as your first swipe, as the rest of your arguments are even more hollow and vapid.
Scepticaltank · 25/04/2021 02:38

She is ridiculous enough already. Speculating on her becoming part of the non existing middle aged FTM cohort is pointless because, well their isn't one.

Wandawomble · 25/04/2021 02:34

@Scepticaltank

In a video for ‘Out for Scotland’ released earlier this week, Nicola Sturgeon announced that her “chosen pronouns are she and her”.

This is quite ridiculous isn't it? She has been referred to as she her entire life, she had absolutely no need to "chose" pronouns.

I look forward to seeing her tattoo them on her chest.

Surely she should be binding her breasts soon too? After all she has short hair, doesn’t having short hair and a top job make you a man?
Wandawomble · 25/04/2021 02:33

Great ratio of comments there. The public are waking up. It’s going to be messy to clean up but the pushback is here.

Womansisterdaughtermother · 24/04/2021 22:21

Superb article, thanks for sharing @2Rebecca. I shared it with my mid teen daughter.

Scepticaltank · 24/04/2021 21:14

In a video for ‘Out for Scotland’ released earlier this week, Nicola Sturgeon announced that her “chosen pronouns are she and her”.

This is quite ridiculous isn't it? She has been referred to as she her entire life, she had absolutely no need to "chose" pronouns.

I look forward to seeing her tattoo them on her chest.

MadamBatty · 24/04/2021 20:58

Exactly Mullets, cowards the lot of them.

Mulletsaremisunderstood · 24/04/2021 20:43

@MadamBatty

This is a very clear well Written article. Wish we had journalists like Susan In Ireland instead of the wokeratti fawning on the whole trans idealology & shouting be kind.
Exactly, although the letters in the Irish Times from readers are encouraging. It seems though that journalists in Ireland do not want to take this on.
MadamBatty · 24/04/2021 19:33

This is a very clear well
Written article. Wish we had journalists like Susan In Ireland instead of the wokeratti fawning on the whole trans idealology & shouting be kind.

midgedude · 24/04/2021 19:09

I guess if words don't mean anything you can claim she is inaccurate easily enough

Although if words can mean what we mean , then I say glad to see shiz. Praisibg Susan a much

Thelnebriati · 24/04/2021 19:07

Immature eggs and sperm cells are present at birth in both sexes, they start to mature at puberty.

OldCrone · 24/04/2021 19:01

It's not good arguing about the feminism barb, the key thing here is that she doesn't even know that sperm production doesn't start until puberty.

She knows that only men produce sperm though. Which means she is much better informed than someone who thinks that women can have penises.

GreyhoundG1rl · 24/04/2021 19:00

@Shizuku

"My name is Susan Dalgety, and I am a feminist. I believe that human beings are born with either male or female sex gametes (egg cells for women, sperm for men). "

Actually, sperm production doesn't start until puberty. I mean if you can't get even the most basic biological facts right in your opening sentence, it doesn't bode well for the rest of the article.

You are born with the latent ability to produce sperm, or you are not. It really is that simple. It's a basic biological fact. You need a brush up on these basic facts you like to argue so much.
Thelnebriati · 24/04/2021 18:59

Karen White was allowed to sexually assault 4 female inmates.
Facilitating a rapist to access victims constitutes inhumane punishment and is a human rights violation.

But its only women prisoners, so who cares.

Immunetypegoblin · 24/04/2021 18:52

This has raised a genuine query for me. I presume there are some females out there who have committed violent sexual assault against other females, and who have been incarcerated in the female estate as a result. I think the number of such females will be vanishing small but let's put that aside for a moment. My question is, what protective measures, if any, are taken to protect other female inmates from this one female convict with a history of sexual violence against their sex class? Are the same protective measures meant to be in place to protect female inmates from male convicts, with a history of sexual violence against females, who happen to identify as female?

I've never thought about this before but would have thought surely females likely to assault other female prisoners would be segregated from the population somehow. Surely Confused

CardinalLolzy · 24/04/2021 18:49

Was it her name or her political views that you think are an incorrect biological fact?

Do you understand why what you say often sounds muddled and in need of clear talking through your logic? Yet you refuse to answer questions asking for clarification on what you actually think and your reasoning for thinking it.

Tibtom · 24/04/2021 18:49

I support women being sent to women's prisons. Some women are trans.

Yes we all recognise that transmen are women and should be housed in women's prisons.

midgedude · 24/04/2021 18:49

Ah you are accusing her of transphobia simply because she knows the difference between man and woman and isn't afraid to say so?

And You are accusing her of lying because she states she is a feminist and you think that is incompatible with knowing what female is?

CardinalLolzy · 24/04/2021 18:47

But you said "if you can't get even the most basic biological facts right in your opening sentence, it doesn't bode well for the rest of the article."

What biological fact did you mean when you said this?

Shizuku · 24/04/2021 18:45

@CardinalLolzy

Transphobes aren't actually feminists, so there's that.

Did you not understand my question? What fact did she get incorrect? You are asserting as fact that this woman is categorically not something she claims to be?

It's not good arguing about the feminism barb, the key thing here is that she doesn't even know that sperm production doesn't start until puberty.
CardinalLolzy · 24/04/2021 18:41

Transphobes aren't actually feminists, so there's that.

Did you not understand my question? What fact did she get incorrect? You are asserting as fact that this woman is categorically not something she claims to be?

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Shizuku · 24/04/2021 18:37

@Thelnebriati

If you support rapists being placed in women's prisons, but you want to get picky over the wording of this article, do crack on.
I support women being sent to women's prisons. Some women are trans.
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