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TW in sport - Help wanted

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Tabasco007 · 24/04/2021 09:42

Morning All, name changed here, (not that I am big poster). I need some help in finding some information on TW in sport. My housemate is male, early 50's, he knows I don't believe that TWAW and that people can't change sex, and to be fair, I don't think he does either, but I find it really hard to explain it all to him. I have mentioned most of my concerns, but he seems to always bring up sport and it has generally come up after a few drinks - what I find is, he get a bit shouty and asks me to tell him the exact numbers, figures, evidence, which I then struggle to do. Personally I feel if one TW takes a medal off a women then its not fair, but he seems to be implying that if it not happening a lot, then why am I going on about it. He also works for a news desk and says it never comes up there. when we did get heated about this topic a month or so ago, he basically implied that women wanted equality, so we should just suck it up. Anyway, can someone direct me to clear links on TW in sport, I know I have seen stuff online, but can't seem to locate it now. Also was it british cycling that have now changed their policy to included anyone that says they are a women, will levels of testosterone come in to it? Thanks for your help.

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Helleofabore · 24/04/2021 09:47

Here are some links that could help.

Adding the USAF study here for people to read.

bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2020/11/06/bjsports-2020-102329

Timothy A Roberts, Joshua Smalley, Dale Ahrendt

Effect of gender affirming hormones on athletic performance in transwomen and transmen: implications for sporting organisations and legislators

Summary The 15–31% athletic advantage that transwomen displayed over their female counterparts prior to starting gender affirming hormones declined with feminising therapy. However, transwomen still had a 9% faster mean run speed after the 1 year period of testosterone suppression that is recommended by World Athletics for inclusion in women’s events.

It is interesting reading as it also leaves the suggestion that even after 3 years advantage still exists.

And Sean Ingle’s take on it.

www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/07/study-suggests-ioc-adjustment-period-for-trans-women-may-be-too-short

NotBadConsidering · 24/04/2021 09:46

There are hundreds of women and girls who have been disadvantaged by just a handful of males in their sport. These women and girls matter. A thread of mine with their names and how they lost out:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4175263--No-Trans-Olympian-List-of-women-and-girls-disadvantaged-in-sport-resource-thread

redcandlelight · 24/04/2021 09:44

maybe ask him to give you the numbers and figures?