TW in sport - Help wanted

The coach I showed the photo to brought you the the subject because he has been watching some cycling competition and was bemused/confused/cross that there was something amiss in the ladies finals. He trains single sex teams and wasn’t impressed.

I’d also add the following, from a poster on a TW in women’s sport thread, because it’s always worth repeating:

A mediocre man taking part in women’s sport will win the gold medal for shamelessness every fucking time.

(I meant, yes, good question obviously, not yes it's fair)

twitter.com/Scienceofsport

Ross Tucker has been doing a lot of research into this. It's completely scientific and sound. Very interesting. you can see his reports/articles/comments etc on his twitter.
Sharron Davies is another good person to follow on twitter. she tweets a lot of interesting science-based stuff.

Your friend's: 'you want equality, get on with it,' comment though suggests to me there might be something else going on there and he may not want to listen

Hubbard is not 30. Hubbard is 40 something. Stowers was 18 at the time. A 40 something year old privileged male beat an 18 year old woman of colour at weightlifting in her own country.

Progress, apparently.

This is a list of some of the transwomen in women's sports. savewomenssports.com/males-in-female-sports-1 There will be many more at a lower level eg the person who folds women like deck chairs in rugby.

Yes that's right. Hubbard. So stunning and brave.

This is the photo. Feagaiga Stowers was 18 in this photo. She grew up poor, in foster care and was a victim of abuse as a child. This was her home games, in Samoa, where she was the flag bearer. Ask him, as a wokey blokey, if he thinks it’s fair that Stowers was beaten by a middle aged male from New Zealand whose family is worth millions.

I showed that to a sports coach last week. He asked if it was real.

www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/120029186/2020-tokyo-olympics-committee-has-bowed-to-pressure-to-include-trans-weight-lifter-in-womens-category

Show him a picture of the New Zealand weight lifter who transitioned when they were 30 something and won a medal in the Commonwealth.

But basically what this is about is he just wants to have power over you. He is not your friend.

If he means 'equality' as in no separate female category, that's a perfectly good argument- I don't agree but he could make that argument and never see any women's sport except very occasional distance runners and swimmers, plus the equipment sports (shooting, equestrian, motor). Equity is when we have different categories to improve competition, as in weight classes for boxing. We have female categories because male bodies are significantly different from female ones. It's really not complicated or emotional. Numbers don't really matter, who wins doesn't really matter. There are lots of recreational sport events where it doesn't matter either and whoever rocks up plays - this is different from competitive sport, where women's events are for females.

He also works for a news desk and says it never comes up there.

Women should be demanding to know why men on newsdesks have not been properly investigating this scandal in women's sport.

I would forward him a copy of the transcript from Dr Emma Hilton's speech two years ago.

A Woman's Place is on the Podium: Emma Hilton (10 July 2019)

"Dr Emma Hilton is a developmental biologist and University Lecturer. She has published more than twenty manuscripts on developmental biology and genetics and was named Outstanding Young Investigator by the European Society of Human Genetics, for her research.

She spends her days picking through mammalian reproductive systems, and in her leisure time she is a marathon runner, weightlifter and netballer. A strong advocate for women and girls, Emma tweets as @FondofBeetles. "

A transcript of this speech is available here: fairplayforwomen.com/emma_hilton/

Oh god I was on the wrong thread! 😂

Just advice re: OP's post.

Wrong thread? Or an interesting plot twist?

I have nothing to add, other than he's a dick. Don't put up with his shouting, don't get drunk with him.

Didn’t British (or English?) gymnastics rule that all children could basically compete together (which would imply then all also using same facilities for changing and washing) but those with... ummm... ‘bulges’ could wear shorts.

This woke up a wokey in-law as it happened around the time his little girl took up gymnastic. Papa bear did not like it.

fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/sports-campaign/ for a good overview or, if he is serious about wanting to know (I suspect he isn't) link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3

TBH I don't think it's worth doing more. If he reads these and still insists that it's fine for men to play in women's sports then he's obviously a sexist git. You could also explain that there's a difference between equality and equity - if you google it there are a load of idiot-proof diagrams that make it clear.

The boys vs women website is handy as well, as it demonstrates that teenage boys with all the advantages of going through male puberty (muscle mass, skeletal structure, lung capacity etc) will beat women Olympians.

boysvswomen.com/#/

This twitter thread is good.

twitter.com/fondofbeetles/status/1368174222992961547?s=21

Got to run but if you search for sports threads in here there are a load of links to the studies carried out and all the evidence

However if he’s already being shouty and bullying about it, I suspect he’s not interested in the actual evidence

He’s gaslighting you.
Here’s a link to Fair Play for Women, with a section about sport.

fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/sports-campaign/

Don’t forget that in the US, boys who declare they are now trans girls are winning sports scholarships to colleges - which are very financially lucrative, by beating girls in sports where they were not able to beat boys.