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2021ismyyear · 2021-04-23T17:52:22+00:00

I’ve seen lots of things on Twitter, about the wording: “pregnant people can now have a birth partner” or “pregnant people can get the Covid vaccine”. The word woman will be eradicated soon and I’m fuming. My question is.... how many people are we talking about here? Per year, how many people in the uk that are/were women now identify as men and also get pregnant? Is it a handful or are we talking thousands here?

ListeningQuietly · 23/04/2021 19:41

ONLY Women get pregnant

ONLY women go through childbirth

ONLY women have fistulas

ONLY women have miscarriages

Biology is real
Gender is feel

Ethelfromnumber73 · 23/04/2021 19:36

[quote quiteathome]@Ethelfromnumber73 the abstract makes very little sense. (I did skim it mainly)

Talks about people as identifying as being pregnant. Switches between using the word women and persons. And the also uses the term non pregnant women.[/quote]
I know- I've had to analyse the data. The linguistic gymnastics made it very difficult, and the whole thing made me extremely angry because misinterpretation of this has detrimental effects on women

Erkrie · 23/04/2021 19:35

I liked being called a pregnant person

I liked being called a pregnant woman. And it's more accurate.

HermitsLife · 23/04/2021 19:34

@GappyValley

I still cannot get a straight answer to the obvious question to me, which is if someone has such clear gender dysphoria as to not consider themselves a woman any more, why are they then going through probably the most womanly thing imaginable?

And how are they not triggering themselves hourly with growing boobs and a bump and swollen genitalia, when they are on such a hair trigger that the word ‘woman’ causes them a mental health crisis?

That is a really good question. I don't know if you'll get an answer though.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 23/04/2021 19:33

So we don't use the word "woman" because theremightbe a transman in the group?

How is that not erasing the word woman?

Yeah. Shouldn't we be inclusive and use "pregnant women, trans men and non binary people" in case there is a woman in the group who prefers the first term?

Pretty confused by this exclusionary language.

quiteathome · 23/04/2021 19:33

@Ethelfromnumber73 the abstract makes very little sense. (I did skim it mainly)

Talks about people as identifying as being pregnant. Switches between using the word women and persons. And the also uses the term non pregnant women.

BarryFromEastenders · 23/04/2021 19:28

But women are people, surely! When I was pregnant, I was a pregnant woman and a pregnant person. I liked being called a pregnant person. Pregnant women have been marginalised (even animalised) throughout modern history in the UK at least and the label “pregnant woman” carries that history whether we like it or not. I’m happy to be labelled “person” as well, as a reminder that we don’t fall out of the human race when we get pregnant. I definitely felt, when I was pregnant, that lots of people and services needed that reminder. Our argument isn’t with the people who advocate for the term, “person” it’s for the patriarchal medical system that still sees women as second class citizens.

Ethelfromnumber73 · 23/04/2021 19:28

www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104983

StealthPolarBear · 23/04/2021 19:26

Do you mean the testicle-toters? I think you're right.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 23/04/2021 19:25

So we say "pregnant people" instead of "pregnant women" to be accommodating of people who don't want to be called "pregnant women". Even though it's more awkward.

But we can't say "pregnant women, trans men and non binary...” to accommodate people who don't want to be called "pregnant people" because it's too awkward.

One set of people here seems to be valued less than the others.

StealthPolarBear · 23/04/2021 19:25

Yes if it's not an attempt to erase women and 'it's all fine' (???) then presumably you can reassure us that language relating to conditions affecting men has been similarly butchered?

Trixie78 · 23/04/2021 19:23

@GappyValley

I still cannot get a straight answer to the obvious question to me, which is if someone has such clear gender dysphoria as to not consider themselves a woman any more, why are they then going through probably the most womanly thing imaginable?

And how are they not triggering themselves hourly with growing boobs and a bump and swollen genitalia, when they are on such a hair trigger that the word ‘woman’ causes them a mental health crisis?

You don't need to have gender dysphoria to be trans now apparently 🤨

WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo · 23/04/2021 19:22

@2021ismyyear

Naughty nhs using the word “men”! What if you were a man but now identify as female but still have testicles.

I propose we use “ball havers” from now on.

I quite like testicle toters

Sexnotgender · 23/04/2021 19:21

I was looking at vasectomies for my husband. All men, male etc. Not a person or an ejaculator in sight. Funny that.

NHS even says you can request to see a male GP. How terribly transphobic of them.

Erkrie · 23/04/2021 19:21

Pregnant woman is better and factually accurate.

Original poster

2021ismyyear · 23/04/2021 19:20

Naughty nhs using the word “men”! What if you were a man but now identify as female but still have testicles.

I propose we use “ball havers” from now on.

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Sexnotgender · 23/04/2021 19:20

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

I’ll believe it’s inclusive when it happens to males as much as females

Exactly. It’s all bollocks.

Trixie78 · 23/04/2021 19:19

@2021ismyyear

I really worry for my kids. I bloody hope this language doesn’t make its way in to school. Can you imagine telling a kid that men can get pregnant too!

I think that ship may have sailed OP 😬

ListeningQuietly · 23/04/2021 19:18

I have a real life friend who "transitioned"
M to F
full surgery at age 18
I've never known them as other than their female identity
but they have never hidden their birth identity
AND
Prostate screening now beckons
because
biology is real

WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo · 23/04/2021 19:18

@Shizuku

No one is trying to eradicate the word "woman" - it is used in pregnancy services across the country thousands of times a day - it's all fine.

The only thing that has happened is that when talking to, or about, a group of pregnant or potentially pregnant people which might or does include some trans men or non binary people, then more inclusive language is preferred. That's all it is.

So we don't use the word "woman" because there might be a transman in the group? How is that not erasing the word woman?

Original poster

2021ismyyear · 23/04/2021 19:18

Oooh I just looked it up on the nhs website:

“Testicular cancer is a relatively rare type of cancer, accounting for just 1% of all cancers that occur in men.

Around 2,300 men are diagnosed with testicular cancer each year in the UK”

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quiteathome · 23/04/2021 19:15

I don't quite get it.

There should be no word for men either.

Therefore for mens things it should then be people who go for a prostate exam.

People are going to be really confused in the future as nobody will really know what they need.

Original poster

2021ismyyear · 23/04/2021 19:14

This is true. So if I’m a male and I now identify as a female I can buy “condoms for people that have a penis”. Will I be able to find them next to the blusher and perfumes in shops?

Are testicular cancer tests for “people with balls”?

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ListeningQuietly · 23/04/2021 19:12

Prostate Cancer

Men and other people
funny
its just Men

LadyBuffOfBuffdonia · 23/04/2021 19:12

I remember when the pregnant transman was a headline. I hadn't followed the news closely and in the few brief seconds whilst the article opened I remember thinking what a big deal for science it was; I remember feeling trepidation and awe for the brave new world. Like 9/11 I'd remember the moment forever.

Then I found out it was actually a woman anyway. Felt pretty silly I hadn't clocked it because of course an actual man giving birth would be top news and dominate the headlines- not just silly clickbate.