How many pregnant “people” are we talking about?

Stealth yes 16 out of 10... Even worse!

No they just changed the word women for people. The stat has stayed the same.

It's a tiny number of female people who prefer to be named in different ways. It's not for them that the word 'woman' is being eradicated. (And it is. Obviously. It's ridiculous to pretend otherwise.)

It's because male people do not want the word 'woman' used in any way that suggests there is a form of womanhood that excludes them, despite that over 99% of those known as women in the UK are biologically female.

It's a massive, massive lack of tolerance and equality for biologically female people. And it's not ok. 'Women and....' Add whatever you want. But there needs to be a requirement that either everyone gets to choose their identity, language and beliefs, and everyone is required to respect other people's choices or no one does.

I once come across a tween where a TW questioning why some women's health project was called exactly that. The TW tweeted that "The name should be changed because I am a woman and I don't use this service".

So it may not be about including TMs, but rather making sure that TWs don't feel excluded.

I also worry that language like pregnant person and birthing people take away from birth and prenatal care being women centred- given there's a long patriarchal history of things being done to pregnant women or women giving birth without their consent. Need to keep emphasis on women and what best meets their needs during pregnancy and birth (which is then what is best for the baby too)

The argument for pregnant women is a no brainer, it is far more compelling that the people who menstruate argument. Though both are bullshit. I do sometimes wonder why trans men, who (obviously?) would not wish to menstruate, don't stop it hormonally. I believe it is relatively straightforward with progesterone. Any endocrinologists available to comment?

Erectile dysfunction page is men.

Vaginismus is no mention women. But oddly says you can ask for a female doctor.

But women are people, surely! When I was pregnant, I was a pregnant woman and a pregnant person

Yeah, sure, but there's only one type of person who actually gave birth to the entire human race since the dawn of time.

It isn't "people" who get pregnant. It's a specific group of people who can get pregnant.

The other group of people use their dicks to get us pregnant.

We do need specific words to discuss the complexities of life otherwise it all becomes somewhat confusing.

I work as a midwife in a woke area of Canada. I have had three clients whose partners used they/them pronouns (one identified as a trans man. The other two identified as NB). I have never had a client who themselves didn't identify as a woman. I know that there have been some in the even woker city nearby, but again I think they tend to identify as NB (and present as obviously female) rather than transmen.

The word to describe human beings who are female and adult is women. This is an inclusive and accurate term for all the female sex human beings and only excludes male sex human beings.
The fact that a small number of women have obtained a GRC means that they should be treated as if they are the opposite sex in most (but not all) situations.
Being pregnant and giving birth is clearly a situation where sex matters.

A good point made on this by Helen Lewis

Exactly. There is a really strong case for using gender/sex neutral language for non sex related issues and experiences such as fireman/ spokesman. But not for uniquely female experiences. This is not for the comfort of the few transmen that give birth anyway. It's for a particular subset of trans women.

The NHS updated the trying to conceive page by just replacing women with people.

So the info that had said women under 40 have an 8 in 10 chance of conceiving in a year changed to 8 in 10 people under 40 had a chance of conceiving in a year.

That's not the same. That means 4 in 10 females.

This sort of thing which is important- clarity, language that people understand is being done away with in favour of making people guess from the context what it means.

The trying to conceive page does not include the words woman or female anywhere.

As a comparison I just looked at the low sperm count page. The word man is in the header in bold.

The idea this is about inclusion is probable bollocks as the stuff about men is not subject to the same changes in language.

and schools have fallen for lobbying
that makes girls transpobes for asking to change tampons in privacy

which is NOT the law

No one is trying to eradicate the word "woman" That's not true.

it is used in pregnancy services across the country thousands of times a day - it's all fine. There is not one thing about it that is "fine".

No man in the history of this world has ever been pregnant. Every person in the world today was gestated and birthed by a woman. Nonbinary is a ridiculous affectation that means nothing.

Women get pregnant and as such the word to describe a pregnant person is that - woman.

The minuscule number of females who do not want to call themselves women that then use their female reproductive organs to get pregnant, give birth and breast feed should not get to dictate the language used by the other 99.99999999% of women who want their sex based language left alone.

They can simply have a note added to their records so their midwife knows their preferred pronouns.

But then we know it's not about trans men.
It's about male TRA's telling us we're not allowed to use the words woman or women for any solely female biological function because it 'excludes' them.
Of course it bloody does. That's the fucking point.

What a load of bloody bollocks.
Only women get pregnant.
Ask any small child and even they know the truth
This has become absolutely fucking ridiculous.
Men can't get pregnant.

*GappyValley
I still cannot get a straight answer to the obvious question to me, which is if someone has such clear gender dysphoria as to not consider themselves a woman any more, why are they then going through probably the most womanly thing imaginable?

And how are they not triggering themselves hourly with growing boobs and a bump and swollen genitalia, when they are on such a hair trigger that the word ‘woman’ causes them a mental health crisis?*

Or, what the legal status is of a person who has solemnly sworn that they want to live as a man in order to get a GIC, and then they nip to the IVF clinic to get pregnant. That's an unusual understanding of what a man is, really.

Men’s Health magazine should be ‘persons health’
‘Women’s hour’ is now ‘persons hour’

And ‘womens refuges’ are now obviously people’s refuges also

I think there have been two trans identified people who got pregnant.

One was Freddie McConnell who was upset after he was refused the right to be listed as "father" on the birth certificate that belonged to the infant. That court finding gifted us "mother" as a gender inclusive term, which the House of Lords used in the MOMA bill where "mother" was used in the maternity bill as it applied to everyone who could have a baby.

I don't know who the other person is or whether they are a transman or a NB female.

Mind.

Echoing other posters that I wouldn't mine so much but it is NEARLY ALWAYS just 'men' when it's 'people with a cervix', 'menstruators', 'bleeders', 'vagina owners', 'pregnant people'. I would really like someone on the other side to justify and explain that.