Keira Bell and Tavistock Appeal 29th June

You might want to read this:

twitter.com/rozietoez/status/1376813964907008001

Just popping by to say anyone who is in support of Keira Bell may like to have a look at the MN petitions board if they haven’t been there recently.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard

I emailed to complain, and they just said it must be an error blah blah, to take a screen shot next time I donate and they'll look into it.

Just wanted to let people know to keep an eye out for it. I definitely deselected the £2.50

Calling those concerned about untested, experimental medication being used on children before they understand the lifelong impact this may have on their health, their fertility and their sex lives "child abusers'???

No wonder the tide is turning against those adults determined to inflict this on children.

You know this, and to campaign against helping trans kids avoid this makes you child abusers

It would seem to me that you don't have a strong understanding of what child abuse really means. 🤷

You know perfectly well that the average trans girl will be absolutely devastated by the effects of testosterone at puberty

It's not our fault (or Keira's) that young children aren't able to understand how infertility and all the other side effects of this experimental treatment will affect them as adults. Of course they can't understand it, they're children. The thought of sex and babies is gross when you're a kid, it's completely natural that many will be adamant that they don't want kids anyway.

How can a child give informed consent to something when there isn't enough information on the effects of these drugs?

Also, the sudden 4000+% rise in referrals were girls. Girls don't develop any irreversible changes due to puberty, yet they're put on PB's anyway. Why?

You don't think trans girls are traumatised by the effects of testosterone on their bodies? You really need to meet more trans women

The transwomen and transmen I know fortunately don't think like you, and recognise the dangers and harm early transition often causes.☺️

You don't think trans girls are traumatised by the effects of testosterone on their bodies? You really need to meet more trans women

Shizuku many self-identified "trans girls" explicitly say they don't suffer dysphoria, so testosterone isn't an issue for them. You seem to have missed the memo. You really need to meet more transwomen.

I've donated to the Good Law Project if that helps. Seems that the people fighting for a cleaner more onest government would be a good judge of which side is the right side.

The average male child, who you might call a “trans girl” if left alone and supported through puberty will grow up to be happy with their body:

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2021.632784/full

This has long been known and this study supports this. Children should be able to consent to decisions that will lead them to undertake puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and their consequences. Do you think they can understand? If they can meet the criteria set out by the judges, then by all means, let them crack on:

i) the immediate consequences of the treatment in physical and psychological terms;
(ii) the fact that the vast majority of patients taking puberty blocking drugs proceed to taking cross-sex hormones and are, therefore, a pathway to much greater medical interventions;
(iii) the relationship between taking cross-sex hormones and subsequent surgery, with the implications of such surgery;
(iv) the fact that cross-sex hormones may well lead to a loss of fertility;
(v) the impact of cross-sex hormones on sexual function;
(vi) the impact that taking this step on this treatment pathway may have on future and life-long relationships;
(vii) the unknown physical consequences of taking puberty blocking drugs; and
(viii) the fact that the evidence base for this treatment is as yet highly uncertain

Do you understand consent?

And I would love to hear from trans women. I’d love to hear from all those who are “expanding the bandwidth of what it means to be a woman”. I’d like to hear them explain to male children that it’s ok to go through male puberty because look! You can be a woman with a beard! And a fully functioning penis! And father children! I don’t agree with this idea of course, but at least it would remove the notion that male puberty is somehow wrong.

But funnily enough, those that frequently tell us all these things are unusually silent on this particular issue. We just seem to hear from adult males who have benefited from male puberty who for reasons known only to them, want to tell children that they don’t deserve those benefits.

twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1385712077843668994

Don't know what to make of it.

There is a famous trans woman who is demonstrating trauma from the lack of testosterone. The self-admission of an inability to have any libido, never had an orgasm, never will, multiple surgeries on tissue that has never developed from a lack of testosterone and all of the ongoing complications and management required, and ongoing self-admitted mental health problems.

The Bell ruling has protected children who cannot consent to this from heading down the same path.

Totally devastated that association of lawyers for children have intervened, I'm a member and I think the position they are taking is totally against the interests of children. It's baffling.

Wonder if they have been convinced by the Foxbotherer.

Why would you make Keira's story about MTF trans people?

You don't think trans girls are traumatised by the effects of testosterone on their bodies? You really need to meet more trans women.

The sort of transwomen who have fathered children?

How would transgirls (who are male) suffer in the same way as she has if they go through a natural puberty? This will (probably) result in them being fertile (not infertile) and they would never be able to breastfeed anyway because they are male.

Totally devastated that association of lawyers for children have intervened, I'm a member and I think the position they are taking is totally against the interests of children. It's baffling.

Normal biological development

vs

Experimental medicine practised on children, with no reputable evidence on long term risks or outcomes.

The two are not comparable.

The word bullying comes to mind. All that organisational might against a young woman. An exceptional woman, but one young woman. Horrible bullies the lot of them. Will dig.