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Long feature about Maya Forstater

34 replies

Stopsnowing · 23/04/2021 06:27

In the Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/amfightingfor-therightto-saymen-cannever-bewomen/

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R0wantrees · 23/04/2021 09:36

I can't read it. What is the Pips Bunce connection?

(extract)
"One of her tweets was critical about Pips Bunce, a senior director of Credit Suisse who identifies as gender fluid and non-binary (someone who identifies as not exclusively woman or man). Forstater made comments about Bunce, who sometimes goes into her (Bunce’s preferred pronoun) office in women’s clothing as Pippa and on other days in a suit as Phil, when she was named as one of the Financial Times’ Top 100 Women in Business. Forstater questioned the idea of Bunce being recognised by the FT as a woman and refused to rescind her views.

It was Forstater’s opinions on Bunce that would provoke, as she understands it, a few employees at the US headquarters of CGD (people Forstater knew only vaguely, as she worked for its European branch) to raise concerns, and when CGD requested she state that her account was personal, she complied. CGD in Washington then set in motion a ‘process’ – undertaken by an independent company – to look into the matter. Forstater claims she was not interviewed by the investigators and was not allowed to see their report. Eventually, in March 2019, she received an email from the company informing her that they would not be renewing her contract, ‘with immediate effect’. (continues)

There is no doubt that sexual politics in the workplace are becoming more and more difficult to deal with in an age when anyone can declare they are a different gender. One of the things that angers Forstater is the way in which she has been portrayed as a workplace bully when she maintains there was no record of openly transgender people working in the London CGD offices. She is, however, unrepentant about her comments about Credit Suisse’s Pips Bunce.

‘Pips Bunce is a married man, he has got kids and he only recently started doing this at work. He had got to the top, where he is at Credit Suisse, as a man but presumably he had been cross-dressing at home for years and now that he is in a senior position he decided he could bring his hobby to work.

‘I have no problem with whatever he does, but being awarded as a woman in business, I thought was obscene.’ (continues)

WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 23/04/2021 09:32

I can't read it. What is the Pips Bunce connection?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/04/2021 09:23

@PopperUppleton

Can it be read without a subscription? And/or can you tell if the article is in the print version? I haven't had a bash at the Telegraph crossword in ages
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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/04/2021 09:22

That's a really great article. I thought this sentence summed up the batshittery well:

"If Forstater had won the case, it would have legally prevented employers from dismissing staff for expressing the view that there are only two biological sexes."

I imagine that many readers will be startled to find that their understanding of the most basic concepts could be a sackable offence.

PopperUppleton · 23/04/2021 09:19

Can it be read without a subscription? And/or can you tell if the article is in the print version? I haven't had a bash at the Telegraph crossword in ages

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/04/2021 09:02

Bloody hell, she's so brave.

Thank you, brave women. You are making me braver.

This is just all fucking ridiculous.

zanahoria · 23/04/2021 08:59

and Gregor Murray too

all the usual suspects

zanahoria · 23/04/2021 08:58

I never knew about the Pips Bunce connection

Biscuitsanddoombar · 23/04/2021 07:57

This is really very good and sets out the issue clearly, how jkr got involved, the expansion of the LGBT alphabet & some photos of pips bunce

the writer does play the ‘I’m not like those feminists’ card with an accusation of misandry thrown in but it’s a bit half hearted