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Could you stay married to a TRA?

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SapphosRock · 22/04/2021 15:44

She believes TWAW, their feelings are more important than women’s rights and some lesbians have penises. Get over it. She was on here once upon a time but got permanently banned.
Everything else about the relationship is wonderful. Can we get past this? It seems like a stupid reason to get divorced. Our values used to be fairly similar but she’s got heavily involved in trans activism and I have gone the other way. Sorry for the pity party, just feel quite down about it today. Has anyone else been through similar?

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NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:42

Thought that was swerf? Am I out of date :/

NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:41

When you were posting on MN back in the old days did she know what you were posting about/ what did she think/ did you read bits out/ did she suggest arguments etc?

Was she as strong in her views back then?

Sorry being nosey! Just I imagine you must have done and whether you were together on it but just you posting/ she wasn't interested and has become more so etc.

The strength of your views over time and agreement etc impacts on this I think.

SmokedDuck · 22/04/2021 22:39

@NiceGerbil

No serfs?

Don't get it. Occupational?

Baffled sorry! Suppose I could Google!

S is for sex worker, I think.
NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:38

Google gives me medieval meaning.

Have I missed a joke/ something obvious?!

SmokedDuck · 22/04/2021 22:38

Yeah, I think Op that it could be the case that your wife sees you as having abandoned her on this issue. Having become radicalised by MN!

That doesn't help your immediate problem but maybe could help with the emotional side?

NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:38

No serfs?

Don't get it. Occupational?

Baffled sorry! Suppose I could Google!

NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:36

So yes I do think that making the effort and taking the time to single handedly (often) argue the other view is activist.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 22/04/2021 22:36

@SapphosRock

I couldn't stay married to someone who thinks men are much more important than women, and who thinks it's ok for women's hard-won rights to be removed in favour of men and male-born people.

She honestly sees no difference at all between women and TW, well apart from she thinks TW are more oppressed.

This is not a stupid reason to get divorced! I would stay married to a sexist man so don't see why it's any different with a sexist woman!
NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:34

I dunno about TRA.

But you did dive in to what at the time would have been seen as a place full of people who are pretty nasty, and put arguments as to why it was all wrong.

I'd think that someone who cared enough to walk into the lions den, as it were, felt very strongly about it iyswim.

ArabellaScott · 22/04/2021 22:30

"Oh are you drowning? Shame. I am nice and dry on the shore FYI."

Oof. Yes, on the nose.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 22/04/2021 22:29

big sign 'NO TERFS' on the door.

Any signs announcing, NO SERFS ? Which is even more satisfactorily ambiguous now I consider it given that it serves the dual purpose of informing potential patrons of occupational bars and of restricted menu options, No Terfs, No Serfs (no vegan meat nor shellfish).

SapphosRock · 22/04/2021 22:28

NiceGerbil interesting you thought I was a TRA as I never considered myself to be. I felt lesbians and TW were siblings and allies within the LGBTQ community and could happily co-exist with mutual respect for one another but I've been proved wrong a few too many times now.

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NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 22:24

In the context of Brighton though it's kind of like

Being a happy member in a lovely community, the religion analogy comes to mind again. Families, relationships, friendships, often embedded in this community.

Being chucked out (terfed out? Sorry) is a massive deal.

And remember Sapphos you were where she is now, more or less, a few years back.

TinselAngel · 22/04/2021 22:23

@Shizuku

I am married to a TRA. She's the most fantastic person I have ever met.
"Oh are you drowning? Shame. I am nice and dry on the shore FYI."
SmokedDuck · 22/04/2021 22:19

@Cwenthryth

I can see how you would be taken aback by her supporting actual violence against women, real-life violence committed by TRAs, I think you are being too kind by just saying ‘taken aback’!!! Charitably I’m hoping perhaps she doesn’t fully hear what she is saying?

I hope your couples therapy helps you understand each other (and helps her hear what she is actually saying!)

The way I find I can understand this kind of thing is if I imagie it in a somewhat analogous situation, where I agree with the other perspective. It doesn't have to be exactly analogous, just similar in terms of the structure of the issue, as it were.

For example, I belong to a group that does various kinds of work with disadvantaged kids, many of whom are black. In that neighbourhood there has recently ben an influx of recent arrivals in the country of Middle Eastern origin, also disadvantaged and could be served by the same programs. It hasn't been an entirely smooth demographic change though mostly it's been ok.

But I can imagine if the parents from the first group had said the second group shouldn't have access to the services, they were not intended for them but for the original community who had been there historically for many generations and had a totally different historical experience, I would not be that sympathetic. (And, FWIW - they would be right that there experience was different and I suspect it will be different in the future as well.)

Not that I would condone violence, I wouldn't, but if those parents felt they wanted to leave in protest I would have a hard time motivating myself to feel bad or do anything about it.

So I can see - if someone else thinks that there is a situation that is like that, they might have similar emotions to mine.

Theredjellybean · 22/04/2021 22:08

I couldn't stay with some one lacking in critical thinking skills and frankly so thick as to believe this tripe.
It wouldnt matter what the topic. Such a startling lack of intellect would finish relationship for me

BaseDrops · 22/04/2021 21:58

Shizuku - sliding doors. Could be you in a year.

SapphosRock · 22/04/2021 21:51

@Shizuku

I am married to a TRA. She's the most fantastic person I have ever met.
Same 😂

From what I've seen of your other posts I'm sure you are very happy together.

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SapphosRock · 22/04/2021 21:49

Thanks Prawn. Haven't seen you for a while, nice to see you on my thread Smile

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Shizuku · 22/04/2021 21:48

I am married to a TRA. She's the most fantastic person I have ever met.

SapphosRock · 22/04/2021 21:48

Thanks NiceGerbil. Yes there's no escaping it where we live but it's all happened very recently. Even 5 years ago the one women's bar actually had women in it. Now it has a very different vibe with a big sign 'NO TERFS' on the door.

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PrawnofthePatriarchy · 22/04/2021 21:46

I hope the counselling goes well, Sappho. You will be in my thoughts.

NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 21:41

I struggle to see how couples counselling will work to help this tbh.

I would ask her to lay off with the kids and you will as well. As you don't agree, it's a really divisive subject in your marriage, and they will get confused and sense/ see that you are not happy with each other about it.

NiceGerbil · 22/04/2021 21:38

I've also seen your views evolve over time Sapphos. You used to be more or less where she is now, so it's you that's changed iyswim.

I also assume you live in Brighton from your post. I have friends down there. They are mainly male but all are TWAW. In that area and as a lesbian couple and if you have friendship groups who are gay/ lesbian / bi then I think from what I've heard that your views would mean social death. Being kind of cast out of the, how can I put it. The reason that so many people are in Brighton, because it's got such a massive gay community. I mean that's a huge deal.

I'd give it some time. The tide is turning a bit and maybe it will come to a place where both trans people can live more openly/ with less fear and more understanding, and sex based stuff can also exist.

The most vocal TWAW person I know, who is actively trying to get sex turned to gender everywhere (you can't ask sex!) is a bisexual woman. She's lovely. I just don't understand it at all.

StillFemale · 22/04/2021 21:37

@SapphosRock

ArabellaScott thank you and she honestly isn't abusive in the slightest. In every other respect she's the kindest, most caring partner.

We had a little chat tonight and agreed to try counselling.

Given where you live be very careful in selecting a counsellor. Whilst they shouldn’t impose their views this seems to be the ideology that ‘transcends’ those principles.

I hope you are able to find a way through this, aside from sharing TRA views she sounds lovely and it sounds like your strengths would normally be complementary.

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