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Has the GENDER question changed on the Govt Covid test reporting site?

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TedImgoingmad · 22/04/2021 09:39

I don't know if I am remembering it wrong. I have been filling the online reporting form out for my DC for weeks. I have got to the point of doing it on autopilot. I am pretty sure that when it came to the "sex" question, they always asked for "gender" instead. I remember the irritation.

This morning, when I filled it out, there was no mention of gender. Or sex for that matter. It asked:

"Which of the following is on your medical records?

Male
Female
Neither"

I am 99% sure that wasn't the question I answered when I last filled this form in on Sunday.

Anyone else notice this change? Or was it ever thus and I have a false memory?

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WeeTorag · 28/04/2021 20:04

@TedImgoingmad

I don't know if I am remembering it wrong. I have been filling the online reporting form out for my DC for weeks. I have got to the point of doing it on autopilot. I am pretty sure that when it came to the "sex" question, they always asked for "gender" instead. I remember the irritation.

This morning, when I filled it out, there was no mention of gender. Or sex for that matter. It asked:

"Which of the following is on your medical records?

Male
Female
Neither"

I am 99% sure that wasn't the question I answered when I last filled this form in on Sunday.

Anyone else notice this change? Or was it ever thus and I have a false memory?

Yes I noticed the change from one week to the next when reporting. Made me laugh but also very angry. I've never seen a gender/sex question worded like that before.
GNCQ · 28/04/2021 19:44

Surely the right question should be "what is your sex on your birth certificate?"
I'm sure the Eddie Izzards of the world have "female" now and then on their medical record for the fun of it.

BadGherkin · 28/04/2021 00:58

It doesn’t solve anything to ask what is on your medical records, though, does it?

Someone who transitioned/ids as the opposite sex is just going to put the sex they feel they have become.

Maybe they need to have a “Both” option, too....

NiceGerbil · 28/04/2021 00:36

Isn't it bonkers that at least some of the effort on loads of health orgs is going towards worrying over / tinkering with the sex questions on their stuff :/

GreyhoundG1rl · 27/04/2021 23:27

It's all nonsense. If one of the options is "prefer not to say" then the data is meaningless and shouldn't be collected in the first place.
If they need to know, they can't offer an opt out.

Enough4me · 27/04/2021 23:25

I'm getting so confused. I just used to tick sex:female. I may decide to have no gender either, or decide my gender is a horse because if a man can say he's a woman and he is, then it's my right to be a horse.

nothingcomestonothing · 27/04/2021 23:19

An actual medical professional had an issue with that? I despair.

She looked terrified! Maybe she thought I was trying to trick her into agreeing with Wrongthink?

As an aside, if we're only having 4 options for gender, what's the difference between 'indeterminate' and 'non-binary'? And for a bonus woke point, why does a consent form for a medical procedure need to know if I'm 'one of these', what possible difference could it make? Confused

GreyhoundG1rl · 25/04/2021 09:21

@nothingcomestonothing

The consent form for the covid vaccine I got at work had the following options:

Gender (circle selected option): Male Female Indeterminate Non-Binary Prefer not to say

I crossed them all out and wrote 'none'. The nurse checking the paperwork asked if it was 'one of these' gesturing at the area of 'indeterminate, non-binary' and I said 'I don't have a gender, which is a made up social construct. I have a sex, which is female, but it didn't ask that, so I'm not ticking it'. She looked at me like I might bite her.

An actual medical professional had an issue with that? I despair.
IloveJKRowling · 25/04/2021 09:13

I crossed them all out and wrote 'none'. The nurse checking the paperwork asked if it was 'one of these' gesturing at the area of 'indeterminate, non-binary' and I said 'I don't have a gender, which is a made up social construct. I have a sex, which is female, but it didn't ask that, so I'm not ticking it'. She looked at me like I might bite her.

Good for you. Hopefully you've got her thinking.

nothingcomestonothing · 22/04/2021 18:37

The consent form for the covid vaccine I got at work had the following options:

Gender (circle selected option): Male Female Indeterminate Non-Binary Prefer not to say

I crossed them all out and wrote 'none'. The nurse checking the paperwork asked if it was 'one of these' gesturing at the area of 'indeterminate, non-binary' and I said 'I don't have a gender, which is a made up social construct. I have a sex, which is female, but it didn't ask that, so I'm not ticking it'. She looked at me like I might bite her.

Deliriumoftheendless · 22/04/2021 17:56

@NancyDrawed

Actually I've just done one of these for school and that question is now: other/not specified/I don't know
This is what I saw last night, but in the summing up it still states gender.
highame · 22/04/2021 17:54

Definitely getting rid of sex then! If they ask for gender somewhere else on the form, but not using the word sex then whilst there is acknowledgement that sex is needed for many reasons they are not going to use the word sex because it will offend. What's changed? Anyone have an answer, cause I'm really hacked off

Goldensyrupissticky · 22/04/2021 17:53

Spotted that two but thought I had become so jaded after what seems like endless hours filling in these forms. A positive step.

MazekeenSmith · 22/04/2021 16:39

Yes
It's slightly better than before but still problematic

zzizzer · 22/04/2021 16:38

Last Thursday I had another option on the test and twice booking service though I can't upload a screenshot for some reason on the android app.

It said "which of the following describes how you think of yourself", followed by male, female, in another way, prefer not to say.

Leafstamp · 22/04/2021 16:16

I also complained and was pleased to see it had changed. But I also agree that the new question is an example of the ridiculous knots organisations are tying themselves in to ask what should be a simple question, and as R0 says, being less accessible to some in the meantime.

In fact, I may complain again!

R0wantrees · 22/04/2021 13:51

This question is not at all easy for many people with limited literacy skills to read:

"Which of the following is on your medical records?"

There is no way this would have been signed off by NHS in the past.

Crumpetstoday · 22/04/2021 13:33

Yes. I actually complained (which I never do) through the feedback when I first started using it in March, so was ridiculously pleased when I saw that it had changed.

Novina · 22/04/2021 13:05

Yes, my daughter commented on the change last week.

persistentwoman · 22/04/2021 13:01

I suppose it's becoming increasingly embarrassing to have so much factual world wide data about the different reactions of the 2 sexes to the virus (death, serious illness etc) yet to have the NHS's fantasy categories being used?
Maybe the Stonewall grip on one of our national institutions is slipping and they're having to confidence to disobey? Grin

TheNumberfaker · 22/04/2021 12:54

I did actually complain about it saying Gender months ago using the feedback form. I can’t remember what I put though. I guess a few others have too.

I noticed the slight change on Sunday. I’ve got all my details defaulting in for me, but have to input them for my daughter’s results so noticed then.

GreyhoundG1rl · 22/04/2021 12:53

The mind boggles at the "I do not know" option 🤯

aliasundercover · 22/04/2021 12:50

I’ve been doing weekly tests since before Christmas. Every week I pointed out that the question should have asked about sex rather than gender. I assumed they would just ignore me, but maybe somebody somewhere was actually reading?

NancyDrawed · 22/04/2021 11:52

So I suppose if you are reporting for someone else, you might need to give the third response.
But in reality, we are all either of the male or female sex regardless of our identity so for clarity (and data collection purposes) surely it would be better to have those two options only?

NancyDrawed · 22/04/2021 11:49

Actually I've just done one of these for school and that question is now:
other/not specified/I don't know

Has the GENDER question changed on the Govt Covid test reporting site?