What do you say to women who accept TWAW?

What do I say to those who assert TWAW? I ask if they remember the old nursery rhyme I used long ago to recite to my children as did my grandmother to me:

“If wishes were horses, beggars would ride:
If turnips were watches, I’d wear one by my side.
And if if’s and an’s were pots and pans,
The tinker would never work!

– Because, of course, as grown-ups, we know, sadly, wishes are not horses; turnips are not watches; TW are … (completion left as exercise for the reader).

What would you say to them about the way their lives have been negatively impacted? Because they don't seem to have noticed.

Gosh are you saying that it's ok then as long as they haven't noticed. That's quite sneaky and not very nice.

I say hello

So, how do you explain to the millions of women who accept TWAW that their lives have been negatively affected by that acceptance, given that as far as they can see, nothing bad happened and their lives just carried on as normal?

I tell them the truth. And hope that their critical thinking skills are up to it. Often they are when they actually start to see the bigger picture :-)

I mean, almost like it doesn't matter if women as disadvantaged, as long as they don't notice.

Whats your point op? You sound like you have a very individualistic perspective on this.

So, how do you explain to the millions of women who accept TWAW.

If "the millions of women who accept TWAW" actually exist and genuinely believe that TWAW (which is unlikely especially after you remove the ones who are just saying it to be nice), there would be no point in explaining anything to them. In the same way it is pointless arguing about the existence of god with a christian or that the world is not flat with a flat earther.

There is a reason that it is necessary for the phrase TWAW to be repeated over and over again and that is because to most people it is completely counter-intuitive. Like a catechism, it needs to be taught and rammed home at every available opportunity with negative consequences for those who do not go along with it. This is why those advocating that TWAW are so keen to get into schools. Children can be made to believe anything. Middle aged women not so much.

This is a real “light the blue touch paper and retire” OP.

If the OP was genuinely interested in a discussion about this, he/she would stick around to answer people’s posts, wouldn’t he/she?

Or am I being very old-fashioned?

Over the years my feelings have been compromised by various men who assumed that their feelings were more important than mine, in changing rooms, in bra fitting rooms, in pubs, in lesbian only/ women only spaces. I would ask why other women don’t think other women’s feelings matter as much as those of men.
With friends who might seem convinced that trans people are the opposite sex, when I dig a little deeper, there are usually qualifications. Men in women’s sports is one, giving children and young people puberty blockers is another. They also usually acknowledge that women should have the right to spaces where we feel comfortable. In fact it is most often the fact of their one specific trans friend whose rights they want to defend and their identity they want to validate.

None of the men I know think TWAW either.

They are, however, afraid of being scolded.

None of the women I know think TWAW

But they won't notice until they DO notice

Children being taught TWAW means that all our children are at risk of being medicated for life in pursuit of the lie that it is possible to change sex.

"What would you say to them about the way their lives have been negatively impacted? Because they don't seem to have noticed."

I would say that if they are lucky enough for it not to matter, then they do not get to give consent on behalf of people to whom it does matter. I doubt these women are in prison, a refuge, a religious minority... for example. I might not care about toilets, but I do care that religiously observant women have toilets they can access - I don't get to take that away on the basis that I don't care that much.

If they’re not in prison, don’t need to access a DV or homeless shelter, don’t need to go to hospital, aren’t involved in sport and don’t use lesbian dating apps then no, they might not have noticed.

Are you honestly suggesting that “I’m all right Jack” is a reasonable attitude here?

Well said, Empress.

I'm on nodding terms with a local minister and I pass her in the supermarket.

If I don't tell her I don't believe in a deity, am I accepting her belief that God exists?

Are you honestly suggesting that “I’m all right Jack” is a reasonable attitude here?

What would you say to them about the way their lives have been negatively impacted? Because they don't seem to have noticed.

This is a very silly question. I'd talk to them about the women whose lives HAVE been negatively impacted.

(There seems to be a good bit of "assuming women are all one homogeneous group mind" happening in this thread. Also some "women don't have inner lives" that conflates what women say with what women think. These thought patterns are common among misogynists.)

What would you say to them about the way their lives have been negatively impacted? Because they don't seem to have noticed.

I'd ask those women if them doing alright for themselves makes them incapable of sympathising with other women in less fortunate situations, like the very vulnerable women in the female prison estate who are being housed with convicted rapists and sex offenders.

I DO think TW should be treated with respect and referred to as their chosen gender, but I think they need third spaces of their own and when it comes to matters of life where biology is important (prisons, health care), then they need to recognise that natal born women have seperate rights.
Ultimately, TW are not women. They are TW, And that's fine - but don't expect me to buy into an impossible fiction. Especially when it erodes my rights.

Completely agree with this.

Happy to respect TW and their rights as individuals but let's not pretend there is no difference.

Well, I haven't noticed any real issues around Ebola in my own life, but my awareness was raised by a news piece a few years ago!