This actually made me laugh out loud, but ironically

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more than that she said that “sex is real”.

This always leaves me speechless. How do they think babies are made?

It’s just the standard fact free appeal to emotion that is churned out by the guardian because they can’t argue it on a factual basis

This whole article contains distortions and untruths. Notable is what ISNT in it. There is a lot about the difficulty of obtaining PBs, cross sex hormones but nothing about the two NHS NICE reports recently published which find no evidence that either of these treatments work. Nor is there mention of the Tavistock study which found that PBs did not improve psychological wellbeing. Both Stonewall and Mermaids have totally ignored these studies - they are not interested in evidence.

Referring to attacks in women's loos I note the downgrade from "this never happens" to "it is hard to find reported examples".

The whole article is free of any coherent argument.

"It should go without saying that trans people don't want cisgender women and girls to be fearful in bathrooms." But apparently because we're not discussing the problem in the 'right way' there's nothing at all anybody can possibly do about this.

The moaning about the wait for assessment or treatment drives me crazy. Try having any child with a MH condition, or adult for that matter.

Or try having an elderly parent, living in constant pain from arthritis, who has just been told by the doctor that there's a two year waiting list for joint replacement surgery.

This is a shame. The Observer is usually better than the Guardian but Rowan Moore is a staff writer so I suppose they let him write what he wants. No excuse for not fact checking, though.

I've complained to the Observer: feel this breaches parts 1 and 2 of their code of conduct (accuracy and opportunity to reply).

I might actually do this too. Can’t believe a once-reputable paper is publishing such blatantly false, gaslighting, wilfully blind tripe.

I've complained to the Observer: feel this breaches parts 1 and 2 of their code of conduct (accuracy and opportunity to reply).
Apart from the Forstater stuff, which was just nasty, easily disprovable, and a really interesting bait and switch from the real question, which was about JK Rowling, I was incandescent at the dismissal of the census issue as 'banal' and looked up uses of 'pregnant person' (supposedly the 'accepted usage' now) as opposed to pregnant woman - absolutely complete tosh, whether you're looking at Google trends or on the UK legislation website.
It's the second time I've complained on a trans-related story in the last month - I'm going to have to cancel my subscription soon. (The last was the awful Eddie Izzard piece, featured on the same page as dead women.) Now there is a bloke who feels he can put his identity on and off.

I saw this earlier and was mightily pissed off. Its such a dishonest representation of pretty much everything.
Clearly, no one at the Guardian bothered to fact check.
I'm surprised it made it past their lawyers.
Maya Forstater has tweeted about it because she hasnt said the things they've claimed she has.
Of course, if they represented her beliefs honestly, there isn't much drama to be made out of it.
mobile.twitter.com/MForstater/status/1383719178977243140
There's also a link in the comments of that twitter thread as to where you can put in an official complaint.
If JKR sees it, I'm hoping she sues the arses off of them.

Thank you Errol

As someone whose self esteem was badly affected by hirsutism during my twenties, and was told it was just a cosmetic issue, and that there was zero help available on the nhs, they can just fuck off, to be quite honest.

Has this changed, or is it still only natal men who can get treatment to remove unwanted facial hair?

The moaning about the wait for assessment or treatment drives me crazy. Try having any child with a MH condition, or adult for that matter. ASD in my area you are lucky to even get the Ax and diagnosis and there is nothing after that
FASD which, imo, is huge in this country is even worse. No understanding in education and, it seems, no wish to understand. Little chance of diagnosis and nothing afterwards if you get the diagnosis
Although given the pigs ear they have made of treating dysphoria perhaps we are safer going it alone

anti-trans groups are significantly better resourced

Sorry but what does DARVO mean?

yes, this arrived on my breakfast table this morning, DP read it first, with many exclamations, 'you're not going to BELIEVE this' 'its just not true' 'fucking bollocks' etc etc told him, oh yes I'll believe it all right ....nothing surprised me anymore!

Well... the definition of 'banal' is 'boring, ordinary, and not original'. But the thing is, sometimes reality and scientific truth, is like that. Yes, humans being unchangeably dimorphic is boring, ordinary and unoriginal. Yes, men as a class are stronger and more violent than women.... etc .... yawn.

Wonder if they'd want Felix to be in a woman's or men's prison?

I can hazard a guess.

The comments about JK were astonishing....
Focussed on bathrooms and ignoring the wider implications for replacing sex with gender.

Obtaining hormones can be done via a number of routes.

Firstly is the NHS and this is indeed a lengthy process through a GIC however what many people don't realise is that due to the long waits a patients GP may prescribe bridging hormones whilst a patient is waiting.
Secondly there are private services such as Gender GP operating from Spain and through this method I believe its about 4 to 6 weeks.
Thirdly is simply self medicating and its remarkable easy to buy the drugs online without prescription.

If someone really wants hormones they will get them.