Help explain non binary

You mean like making spurious analogies? I'll tell you what, I'll take you seriously when psychologists start writing about eye-colour identity, studying how it forms and treating people who have eye-colour identity issues

in a kind of analagous way...Have you read Toni Morrison's The Bluest Eye? :

"Toni Morrison addresses the theme of racial self-loathing in the tragic story of the little black girl, Pecola Breedlove. Morrison's narrator doesn't explain why this self-loathing exists, but how, in Pecola's and her family's case, it came to be"

"Pecola prays to God for blue eyes, thinking that others, including other black people, will see her as pretty, like the little blue-eyed white girls. The use of the singular "eye" as opposed to "eyes" in the title brings Pecola's predicament into sharper focus. She is subject to the "eye" of the beholder, her life and dreams shaped by the narrowed perceptions of others"

Pecola struggles with social and cultural prejudices based on her race, and wishes to identify out of this by fantasising she has blue eyes.

The fact that "woman" feels correct to you, means that you have a female gender identity

What it means is that most of us make peace with reality; or at least we make the most of it, as best we can; and we negotiate our own meanings within that context. Why waste so much time and energy trying to deny the obvious. There are far bigger fish to fry.

basically, non-binary means, I like anything that says they believe they are anything. I don't believe in the sexes.

The fact that no part of you disagrees with the statement "you are a woman" means you have a female gender identity

Only if you subscribe to that world view, or if you interpret your feelings and experiences in that particular way.

You need to understand that the whole world does not share in your way of framing things. in fact most don't.

So just as you identify as a woman regardless of you behaviour, so a non binary person identifies as non binary regardless of their behaviour

Being a woman/female is just a fact. It has nothing to do with an adopted identity. People may adopt many other identities or associations, based on their interests or beliefs, but sex is not one of them

That's not what non binary means. It's not about what gender stereotypes you are into - some non-binary people are overtly masculine, some are overtly feminine, some are androgynous and there's every variation in between

Most people are not " into" any stereotypes. Being a woman, means being female, and has nothing to do with what you are " into".

I actually think this contemporary need to signal, and to label oneself so publicly, is very much associated with the age of social media, where everything is about presentations.

"I look forward to you intervening when someone on this forum says that a trans woman doesn't have a female gender identity."

Shizuku, do you still not realise that gender identity is not the important factor in discussion about sex based discrimination and rights?

A male bodied person having what they believe is a "female gender identity" is their business. Express yourself how you want, as long as you aren't harming others. What I will always object to is that male-bodied person with "female gender identity" claiming that they are actually female-bodied and therefore experience the same sex based discrimination as female-bodied people do. Or that they share some innate femaleness with me and all other women and girls.

It's best to report any posts you perceive as deliberately goady to MN. Including the labelling of individual women on the board with the ideological in-group label "cis", which is acknowledged by MN in their talk guidelines as often perceived as inflammatory towards users.

From the guidelines (my bold):

"Likewise, many feminists are affronted by the term ‘cis’ and ‘terf’, so using these terms will make civil debate less likely. As we’ve said, context is everything – but our moderation team will most likely delete these expressions if we feel they're being used in a deliberately inflammatory way."

Majority female

We don’t need the term cis on here it’s offensive.

Fed up with having offensive and derogatory language forced on us. And constantly being silenced over it.

Especially on here a female space.

I look forward to you intervening when someone on this forum says that a trans woman doesn't have a female gender identity.

What does having a 'female gender identity' have to do with being a woman?

If a male is more comfortable presenting to the world as what they perceive from the outside being a woman is, and lives their life according to stereotypes about women (because if you are not actually a woman then outside perceptions and stereotypes are literally all you have to go on) then great, do whatever makes you happy and comfortable.

But none of that has anything to do with actually being a woman.

Transwomen amd ciswomen are a tiny minority of the population, its women who are most at risk of rape and pregnancy.

This. Why all the talk about "cis women"? What about women who are neither trans or "cis"? Like me and many others? This is FWR, non "cis" women are the majority group of women.

Cis women who are fertile have the added burden of the risk of pregnancy.

As do other women like most of us who are neither "cis" nor trans FTM.

Shizuku, unborn babies are killed for the crime of being female

It is a reality.
Not some mans identity.

Do you really have to persist in being both ignorant and offensive?

Well, I'm sure you will apply that logic when talking about trans women having female identities.

Transwomen can have whatever identity they like, I couldn't give a fuck. But it doesn't make them women. Because womanhood is not an identity, its not something you can identify into and its jot something you can identify out of. It's a biological reality.

"I'm sure you will apply that logic when talking about trans women having female identities."

Of course. People are free to hold whatever beliefs or feelings they like about themselves. Of course, that doesn't in any way mean that their feelings/beliefs are able to override reality and the sex-based protections for women and girls.

Female is a biological reality.

Not an identity.

[quote AssassinatedBeauty]@Shizuku no, I really don't. An absence of any feeling doesn't mean I have a feeling. Obviously.

A random stranger cannot tell me that I have an identity that I do not. [/quote]
"A random stranger cannot tell me that I have an identity that I do not."

Well, I'm sure you will apply that logic when talking about trans women having female identities.

Same for most trans women, but what can you do?

Right - and that's because you have a female gender identity. If you didn't, you'd have a whole lot of feelings about it.

Oh come on.

There are many, many reasons how i know I am a woman and not a single one of them has anything to do with how I identify. There have been many times when I have wished I wasn't a woman - does that mean I am not one?