Help explain non binary

If there are opposites then I guess there is only 2 in which case are you saying none binary doesn't exist?

It doesn't mean that their gender identity is disordered, only that for some reason, their body produced the opposite one to the one that is normally produced.

Their body produced the opposite what?

It's like diagnosing a migraine. The doctor could do all kinds of scans and tests that might show up certain anomalies or not, but actually, they just go by what you tell them, and prescribe accordingly.

But a migraine is an illness/medical condition. We are told that being trans is not an illness so its not a good comparison.

Trans is also always compared with being gay, but you don't 'diagnose' homosexuality and you certainly don't 'prescribe' anything for it. It's just a descriptor for what one likes.

You are arguing the 'brain in the wrong body', I take it, Shizuku.

It doesn't mean that their gender identity is disordered, only that for some reason, their body produced the opposite one to the one that is normally produced.

so, it's their body that's disordered?

*face

Anorexia is disordered thinking. Gender identity is perfectly natural and normal. The problem for trans people is that their gender identity doesn't match the sex they were assigned at birth. It doesn't mean that their gender identity is disordered, only that for some reason, their body produced the opposite one to the one that is normally produced.

I just can't get over that people come out with this stuff with a straight fave, and even believe it to be true.

Also, going back to to the OP, how do you square this hypothesis with non-binary? It makes ZERO sense.

Shizuku “When those boys who were raised as girls, without knowing they were really boys, spontaneously stated they felt they were boys, that’s gender identity “
Er what now ? That is SEX.

Well of course - I'm trans so I'm inherently evil.

Don't be daft Shizuku.

And I appreciate the non use of cis. As I do find it offensive, as do many on here.

How about a compromise - I won't refer to people who aren't trans as "cis", if you won't refer to trans people as the sex they were assigned at birth?

I wouldn’t say assigned but observed at birth. Embryos are XX or XY (and rare cases of triple) and this is observed at birth or can be determined very early on.

But no I won’t use the sex based term if not welcome.

But I will use woman / female for me and fight against the erasure of these sex based words. Also uphold sex based rights.

I will also use the preferred pronoun but I won’t be forced to declare them.

I won’t tell dc they can change sex but will say that some identify differently.

I think I’ve covered what I think, albeit very quickly.

Well of course - I'm trans so I'm inherently evil.

Really? You are stating that you are evil due to being trans? Or are you labelling all trans people as evil?

Or are you are making a show of again putting words into poster's mouths with your usual all or nothing arguments?

I follow quite a few different trans people on social media and have conversations with them. I, for one, don't associate the two as synonymous.

I don't think you will find anyone on this board who does think the two are linked in anyway. And I don't believe people have said this. I have noticed you use this hyperbole lately though.

And no, same sexism my arse.

Absolutely, notbad

You are deflecting. Young transitioners are subject to the same sexism as girls who don't happen to be trans because no one can tell they are trans.

Such a shame that they are physically harmed for life by preventing puberty, and then further at risk of medical misdiagnoses because of physical differences between males and females.

Not to mention that there is no evidence that physically transitioning fixes dysmorphia. So in essence you have a load of butchered bodies with mental health issues.

But that's ok. Because, progression?

I would class being trans as a DSD, and expect that will become an official position at some point.

I am pretty sure that you will be eternally disappointed then.

Differences of sex development is not anything to do with being trans. And having a DSD is a medical condition. You keep telling us that being trans is not a medical condition. Considering there are clear diagnosis parameters for DSD and seemingly nothing concrete for the other. And apparently a patient does not have to have gender dysphoria to be trans, so what even are you diagnosing.

I think this really does reflect disordered thinking.

It sounds like you are making an argument for compelled speech.

Not at all. Just evenhandedness. There are some arguably useful terms which the feminists here can't use, as they are recognised as inflammatory and not conducive to civil discussion. And the same applies to some genderist terms.

It's like diagnosing a migraine. The doctor could do all kinds of scans and tests that might show up certain anomalies or not, but actually, they just go by what you tell them, and prescribe accordingly.

So it’s not like CAIS then. It’s like something else.

Well of course - I'm trans so I'm inherently evil.

I had no idea you are trans. And I described your behaviour as offensive, not your identity. Which it is. Daily. Lack of empathy, understanding, appropriation, aggressive in your posts, dismissive. I don’t think that’s because you’re trans, because I didn’t know, I think that’s just you.

I have long advocated for a biological marker of someone’s gender identity in comparison to their sex. I think all of the campaign efforts should be put towards this, get millions of dollars and pounds put into it. Don’t you think it would be fantastic Shizuku, to finally have a test to back up your basis for a biological explanation of gender identity mismatch? You say you’re trans, would you take such a test?

Do you think there would be a rush of people desperate to take such a test? Would people like Danielle Muscato, Alex Drummond, Eddie Izzard be rushing out for it? Would Izzard’s markers fluctuate depending on which mode Eddie was in? Or whether Eddie had an acting job that day or not?

I’m sure, given your current commitment to explaining a biological model by misusing science, having some actual science to back you up would be fantastic, don’t you think? Let’s campaign for that.

It's like diagnosing a migraine. The doctor could do all kinds of scans and tests that might show up certain anomalies or not, but actually, they just go by what you tell them, and prescribe accordingly.

"Your appropriation of DSDs is another chalk line on the board of the list of your offensive behaviours."

Well of course - I'm trans so I'm inherently evil.

Think of it like CAIS where someone with testes and XY cromosomes is born with a vulva. That vulva is not disordered - it's a normal healthy vulva, but it's the opposite genital configuration to the one typically associated with XY chromosomes.

CAIS can be diagnosed with objective measurements of karyotype - XY - the presence of testes visible on a scan, and high testosterone levels.

How do you diagnose a trans person’s identity being one thing and their body producing “the opposite one to the one that is normally produced”? You can’t. It’s a ridiculously offensive comparison.

Your appropriation of DSDs is another chalk line on the board of the list of your offensive behaviours.

To be precise

DSD are not a mismatch between mental image and body

Anorexia and trans are

Sorry but you do talk such rubbish