Help explain non binary

How can someone mature and develop if they never go through puberty?

Some folk obviously don't mature and develop!

Personality and tastes have now become this weird labelling of everything as an “identity”. Yet personality and tastes change throughout life as we mature and develop.

Woman is a word denoting a discrete biological group. Applying it to males, however they identify, is nonsensical.

There's no inner feminine soul that makes someone a human. Just biology.

I am loving the word migraineur, I have never heard it before smile

It sounds somewhat like an identity. It is not simply having migraines, it is part of ones essential or true self.

You mean she doesn't have blue-eye identity, she just wishes she had blue eyes because she thinks it would solve her problems. So it's not analogous with gender identity

I suggest that the whole concept of 'identity' as it is now posited in contemporary society is really quite a recent thing. It seems to have arisen out of various post modern trends around individualism, consumer culture and social media.

Trans people don't "adopt" their identities, they just notice what their identities are. Gender identity is not a matter of choice - there's nothing you can do about it - it is what it is

Identities shift and change throughout one's life; in response to time, experience, social relationships, and events. How one feels even about fixed characteristics such as sex or race shifts too.

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I agree. If they're women and have always been women, then surely any surgical procedures (facial feminisation surgery, breast implants, genital reconstruction surgery) would be categorised as elective cosmetic surgery, which the NHS doesn't typically cover.

...and even after transition many people still conform to the gendered expectations of their natal sex.

I broadly agree, although quite a lot of people are quite stereotypical with regards to gender expression

That is most likely because 'gender' is formed out of an inter-play between natal sex and social conditioning/expectation.

oops.

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Here is a clicky link.

Trans people don't "adopt" their identities, they just notice what their identities are.
How does that work - does A look in the mirror one day and say "fuck me, I've got a new identity. Seems I'm not a 25 year old man anymore but I'm really a woman"? What does A do with that information since A has never had a minute of being treated as the other sex (that new identity) and has had no socialisation based on that sex? In what way does A "notice what the identity is"?

Gender identity is not a matter of choice - there's nothing you can do about it - it is what it is. Can't be defined, can't be quantified, based on stereotypes, and yet "it is what it is". If I identified as an extremely wealthy woman I know what the bank staff would say if I walked in and asked to withdraw £50,000 from one of my accounts.

Maybe you just need to read my posts more slowly and think harder
Male person patronising a more intelligent female person. Nothing new under the Heavens.

Shizuku - nope - you didn't even try to answer. Genuinely not sure why I bothered to try to understand the trans orthodoxy, won't bother again.

All the girls in that video posted a while back were also supposedly 'fine', yet, the transgirl looked into the camera and said 'Maybe the younger girls weren't, but what could they do. Nothing!'

I have seen similar breezy, statements appearing recently on threads. Those statements do a great deal of carrying the load for the readers following these threads.

Those statement speak very clearly.

Just finished reading that link Purgatory, I am keen to read more. So, thanks again.

trans women don't "change sex" because they were already female. That's the whole reason they had to transition.

Have we had this conversation before? In what way is a transwoman already a female when a female has the body formed from birth around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether they produce those gametes, have produced large gametes or ever will produce those large gametes.

Please provide evidence to support your assertion. And this might help too. I know that you appreciate statements from Endrocrine specialists.

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And thanks again for bringing such great points to the thread that allow us to post some excellent links. It really does help everyone reading to get a better understanding of what the discussion is all about.

Shizuku no, we we not fine.

Habe you any idea how many females have entered a female space, seen you, and promptly left?

I have had to do so many times whwn I have entered a female space and encountered males.

When a male enters a female space it doesnt make the male female, it makes the space mixed sex.

The rest of my posts have been deleted so please feel free to keep reporting and get me blocked... Maybe one day you will get all the female spaces and people like me can have spaces for XX people.

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]I think the complex reality of being born with a DSD, going through childhood surgery, being raised by a family who have been told to lie to you, and how you might realise, is being massively oversimplified in this thread.

Here is one woman's story of how she only discovered the truth when her GP told her, after she was so old she'd finished university!

differently-normal.com/2020/08/03/tale-of-a-good-gp/[/quote]
Such an interesting read. Thanks for posting.

Yes - trans women don't "change sex" because they were already female.

Does biological reality feature? Female is XX not XY - how does that fit in

Yes - trans women don't "change sex" because they were already female. That's the whole reason they had to transition.

So transwomen are already female. I thought they had the wrong body? Female brain in the wrong body?

No, wait, you are saying female brain and female body, but a feeling somehow that their body is wrong, nonetheless? Or not?