I'll try, and you can be sure I will only use the most moderate of language as I have been a tad intemperate recently - I am on the naughty step
1. How you are going to be able to tell if someone is a trans woman rather than simply a woman that might look a bit like a man? This comes up quite a lot and is usually phrased as 'passing'.
The bottom line is that if a transwoman passes then nobody will know. No harm no foul in the real world.
Howver, the human body has some sex specific differences and these include the pelvic gridel and how your legs hang of them. The 'angle of dangle, is quite different and this means that the gait of men and women is very very different. It cannot be mimicked by anyone of the other sex , other than with broad brushstrokes that always look like parody
2. Who is going to challenge this person? For decades nobody has. Women may have noticed and felt a frisson of fear, anxiety, unease. But nobody would have said anything. Most, like me, would even have felt shame for that frisson and made a determined effort to make up for it by being 'nice' These days - me! I would challenge it and explain to the transwoman that thses days I feel far less accommodating because of the behaviours and threats to women by activists claiming to be speaking on behalf of transwomen. If that opens up a mutually respectful dialogue, fucking ace! A good job done.
3. What does the woman who looks a bit like a man have to do to prove she's a woman? Pull her underwear down? Leave the toilet crossing her legs if she hasn't got ID on her that you can trust? Don't gp there "Oooh, are you goinfg to check genitals?" is one of those idiotic phrases that has been pushed at women for a while now. We here haven't suggested it, wouldn't do it and don't really see the need. Not going to happen, it's a straw man arguement - see gait analysis and common sense. SIL has been challenged in public loos, she is a very masculine looking lesbian, she laughs and carries on. In motion and when speaking she is obviously female.
4. Where would you expect trans women to go on the toilet, and trans men? No idea and these days I don't really care. Why? Because for years now women have not been asked, we have been told and now I'd like to be the one doing the telling and saying, loudly, no! My voice can and should be heard without my being called names and being threatened - which has happened to some women, see extant threads.
Some will say transmen should use womens loos because they are women, I would say no, they chose to 'other' themselves look as much like men as they can and if men have no issue with them in the mens loos then that's where they should go! Ask men and transmen that question.
Alternatively they can all lobby properly for additional provision of third, gender inclusive space.
5. Is this ban that many of you seem to want going to stop male violence against women? Would it stop someone, either a man or a trans woman, entering a women's toilet to commit a crime? Is not the fact that someone is prepared to commit a sexual assault suggest that the perpetrator is hardly going to refuse to enter the women's toilet because there is a law against it? And again we have seen that argument many, many times. That isn't the point, mainly because the focus on loos misleads. It reduces the whole debate to one small area that has little to do with women's real objections.
It is a very handy misdirection, if you want to belittle the fears and voices of women.
Replace loos with sport in all of your questions and get back to me!
6. Is it not the case that this will result solely in the further marginalisation of trans people and that will be the only result of a ban? So you want women to be nice in order to make some people feel safer. And you don't care how many women that might get hurt? If you do how many is acceptable?
In toilets
In prisons
In hospitals
In refuges
In jobs
In sports
In life
How many women hurt, pushed aside, scared, lost is acceptable to you @Collaborate? What is the number at which you will say "Stop!"?