Page 5 | I just came out as GC at work, to the big boss and I feel a bit sick

JustcameoutGC · 2021-04-15T11:34:59+00:00

I have NCed for this. I have just outed myself as GC in work to the big boss (and some others cced in). I was asked to sign off on something that I just couldn't and I said so, and explained why. I literally feel sick. Like I have put a big fat GC target on my back. My org is totally woke. I wonder how many times my response has been forwarded already.

Floisme · 17/04/2021 17:49

My quest has consisted of finding out the organisation that designed the questionnaire
Does anyone know of any alternatives to Survey Monkey, i.e. that produce questionaires that don't conflate sex and gender?

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 17/04/2021 17:49

[quote Butwasitherdriveway]@ThumbWitchesAbroad driveway has had too much afternoon sun and is also on a very similar thread about using pronouns and has confused the two [/quote]
Crossposted with you.
That is the only thing that makes any sense.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 17/04/2021 17:48

@Butwasitherdriveway

So we accept that having these views makes life difficult at work?

So why are we all pretending there would never be any consequence to this?

This post, for example - who on earth do you think you are disagreeing with? Nearly all posters prior to this post have agreed that there could well be negative consequences to the OP's actions, and that she was therefore brave to take the stand - I honestly have no idea what side you think you're on, because you're arguing in circles.

Butwasitherdriveway · 17/04/2021 17:44

@ThumbWitchesAbroad driveway has had too much afternoon sun and is also on a very similar thread about using pronouns and has confused the two

Butwasitherdriveway · 17/04/2021 17:44

@Scepticaltank

Prejudice presented as moral certainty

It's always easy to spin a belief into a positive position though isn't it.

I believe that everyone should have the right to identify how they choose and people should respect t.

When I write it like that, it's indisputable.

Who am I prejudiced against?

Scepticaltank · 17/04/2021 17:43

Prejudice presented as moral certainty

It's always easy to spin a belief into a positive position though isn't it.

I believe that everyone should have the right to identify how they choose and people should respect t.

When I write it like that, it's indisputable.

Floisme · 17/04/2021 17:43

Most of the workplaces I know do not have unions and where they do exist, from what I've seen they're fully signed up to gender ideology and would cheerfully throw you under for heresy. On this issue, I'd trust my CEO more than I would a union rep.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 17/04/2021 17:42

@Butwasitherdriveway

I agree

Im responding more to the many posters who told me I was scaremongering and making things up by suggesting this might not go well for people who air these views.

Unless you've namechanged on this thread, then you're posting on the wrong thread as you have not, not once, said anything about repercussions at work nor had anyone call you a scaremongerer.

Your first post under this name on this thread was to tell the OP that she was wrong to say she was coming out.

All your latest posts are in response to god knows what, because there haven't been any posters telling YOU that YOU are scaremongering.

Butwasitherdriveway · 17/04/2021 17:36

@ListeningQuietly

The person had all SM responsibilities removed and was sent for enhanced diversity training.

wrongthink I wonder which organisation organised that training

Let me guess.

Dramatic music.

Stonewall.

The source of all evil according to MN.

Butwasitherdriveway · 17/04/2021 17:36

@Ereshkigalangcleg

The one and only thing I disagreed with was people saying teenagers don't know what a cervix was and I've been happily corrected.

Good on you for admitting your mistake.

I did it pages ago Eresh. Do you have to dig constantly?

Butwasitherdriveway · 17/04/2021 17:36

@Ereshkigalangcleg

enhanced diversity training.

It should be a good thing, but it sounds like room 101.

It's a polite way of saying to teach them how to be respectful.

I'd be mortified if I was sent for that.

This is what I mean about repercussions. Do you honestly think that will not affect their rep? Course it will.

But most places have unions, and if this was truly as clear cut no union would accept this. If they went on the training, it was obviously with due cause.

ListeningQuietly · 17/04/2021 17:35

The person had all SM responsibilities removed and was sent for enhanced diversity training.

wrongthink
I wonder which organisation organised that training

Leafstamp · 17/04/2021 17:35

@Floisme

Another example is when organisations use staff surveys that replace 'sex' with 'gender' and that are powered by the likes of Survey Monkey, so if you raise it with your own HR you're told that they didn't choose the wording.

Yep! My quest has consisted of finding out the organisation that designed the questionnaire - luckily it’s one I work with (not for). In fact as we are basically a customer of theirs, I am hoping my views will hold more weight (and be less risky for me) than if I was questioning my own organisation’s use of language.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/04/2021 17:35

The one and only thing I disagreed with was people saying teenagers don't know what a cervix was and I've been happily corrected.

Good on you for admitting your mistake.

Butwasitherdriveway · 17/04/2021 17:35

@JustcameoutGC

As an example in my workplace someone said something on our social media pages that someone internally decided was transexclusionary. Not a single external person raised any issues. The person had all SM responsibilities removed and was sent for enhanced diversity training.

So yes, making it clear that I hold gender critical views was a risky, but professionally necessary thing to do. I suspect I am on a few radars now.

It's hard to know without knowing what they said.

But most organisations have policies like that.

Teachers , for example, have ridiculous SM restrictions. But nobody seems to care about that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/04/2021 17:34

enhanced diversity training.

It should be a good thing, but it sounds like room 101.

Butwasitherdriveway · 17/04/2021 17:34

@Datun. Eh, I never said anything about sex categories.

The one and only thing I disagreed with was people saying teenagers don't know what a cervix was and I've been happily corrected.

Waitwhat23 · 17/04/2021 17:33

@nellodee I just typed in 'what rhymes with cervix' into Google and it came up with some very odd and amusing answers! www.rappad.co/rhymes-with/cervix

I think your songs sound great - I've worked in some very deprived areas with user groups who have low levels of educational attainments and low health literacy due to various reasons and that sounds like a great way to engage with teenagers particularly.

R0wantrees · 17/04/2021 17:33

I am building up to challenging an organisation I work with for using ‘gender’ in an important questionnaire, when quite clearly they mean sex. In fact, I have already challenged it but the questionnaire “owner” has left the organisation and I’m trying to track down his replacement!

Leafstamp Good luck and many thanks for taking this on.
Accurate, clear and appropriate language use is so very important in many organisations.

Original poster

JustcameoutGC · 17/04/2021 17:31

As an example in my workplace someone said something on our social media pages that someone internally decided was transexclusionary. Not a single external person raised any issues. The person had all SM responsibilities removed and was sent for enhanced diversity training.

So yes, making it clear that I hold gender critical views was a risky, but professionally necessary thing to do. I suspect I am on a few radars now.

OP posts:

Floisme · 17/04/2021 17:31

Another example is when organisations use staff surveys that replace 'sex' with 'gender' and that are powered by the likes of Survey Monkey, so if you raise it with your own HR you're told that they didn't choose the wording.

Datun · 17/04/2021 17:31

@Butwasitherdriveway

I agree

Im responding more to the many posters who told me I was scaremongering and making things up by suggesting this might not go well for people who air these views.

So you do understand that using sex categories to describe people who have a cervix is not part of gender ideology, and women are being told that it is wrong to do so.

You also understand that many people don't know what their internal organs are, and that people for whom English is not a first language would also not know.

And you understand that the reason the OP felt sick was because she works for an organisation which could well uphold gender ideology to an extent that denies material reality and she's worried about pointing it out.

Because, from what I could tell, you were in disagreement with virtually all of that.

Maybe I have missed a bit. It's perfectly possible.

Butwasitherdriveway · 17/04/2021 17:29

I agree about gender and sex being used in the wrong capacity , that does annoy me.

ListeningQuietly · 17/04/2021 17:28

The HPV vaccine was given to my daughter because the virus can cause Cervical cancer
www.nhs.uk/conditions/human-papilloma-virus-hpv/
My son was not offered it
but the year below him (and all successive years) were
because the benefits to boys of eradicating HPV are now becoming clear.

Healthcare terminology has to be clear

Sadly due to a strategy of institutional capture
it has become very poor in many organisations
and many people (both men and women)
have been penalised for recognising both biological and legal realities

the OP took a stand
for which I congratulate her
and hope that many more people who have read this thread
will be more willing to do the same

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/04/2021 17:28

am building up to challenging an organisation I work with for using ‘gender’ in an important questionnaire, when quite clearly they mean sex.

This is brilliant, the more people who do these things, the less this ideology has a stranglehold.