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I just came out as GC at work, to the big boss and I feel a bit sick

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JustcameoutGC · 15/04/2021 12:34

I have NCed for this. I have just outed myself as GC in work to the big boss (and some others cced in).

I was asked to sign off on something that I just couldn't and I said so, and explained why.

I literally feel sick. Like I have put a big fat GC target on my back. My org is totally woke. I wonder how many times my response has been forwarded already.

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DialSquare · 15/04/2021 14:56

Adding my support too OP. There are far more of us than the "further educators', no matter what they'd have you believe.

DontBeRidiculous · 15/04/2021 14:55

in my professional view there is a reputational risk of our company being associated with exclusive gender neutral language such as cervix havers or chest feeders as well as the risk of confusing the people the material is aimed at.

Definitely! I would be extremely unhappy with this type of language, and if I had the option to go with another company that was less extreme in their language, I wouldn't think twice. You did them a favour by bringing to light that not everyone will smile and think how wonderful and "inclusive" they are.

Erkrie · 15/04/2021 14:54

I couldn't disagree more, and if I worked for a company that "handled something like this well", I would leave such company as soon as a sensible opportunity presented itself.

I'd be taking legal action.

HollowTalk · 15/04/2021 14:54

If anyone spoke to me about re-educating me they'd get very short shrift. I'd also assume they'd never read 1984.

RedDogsBeg · 15/04/2021 14:54

@sanluca

You do have to wonder why someone should face disciplinary action and education because they alerted their boss (not social media, not newspapers, their boss) that a lack of risk assesment could harm the company....
Amazing isn't it.

The levels of intolerance from the tolerant, the levels of liberty allowed by the liberal, it is totalitarian and history of full of the horrors that result from this.

poppycat10 · 15/04/2021 14:52

@SweetPetrichor

You don’t ‘come out’ as GC. If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action. I reported similar behaviour relatively recently and it was handled very well. I don’t think you have anything to be proud of here and I hope any decent work place will remind you of company policy and/or professional behaviour.
I couldn't disagree more, and if I worked for a company that "handled something like this well", I would leave such company as soon as a sensible opportunity presented itself.

Conflating gender and biological sex is not professional.

OnandOnforHoursandHours · 15/04/2021 14:52

Petrichor, are you seriously suggesting that it’s better to make people afraid of speaking about issues that affect them, their clients and their companies?

FlyPassed · 15/04/2021 14:52

Well done, and thank you @JustcameoutGC Flowers

Erkrie · 15/04/2021 14:51

You don’t ‘come out’ as GC. If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action. I reported similar behaviour relatively recently and it was handled very well. I don’t think you have anything to be proud of here and I hope any decent work place will remind you of company policy and/or professional behaviour.

It's not down to you to decide what people to decide to come out as. You may have got a good response from your workplace. You wouldn't get such a good one from mine if you tried to dictate how others identify.

UppityPuppity · 15/04/2021 14:50

Well done OP. I have also come out as GC at work and am actively trying to ensure sex as opposed to gender is properly considered. FlowersFlowers

MrGordoThePig · 15/04/2021 14:49

Well done op.

JustcameoutGC · 15/04/2021 14:49

@MarieIVanArkleStinks I don't know what to say to you other than Flowers. Your experience is horrific. I hope you get your voice heard.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/04/2021 14:48

I hope that post is left up.

PuffItsGone · 15/04/2021 14:47

SweetPetrichor
I find your stance terrifying. It’s authoritarian and dangerous.

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GCAcademic · 15/04/2021 14:47

@SweetPetrichor

You don’t ‘come out’ as GC. If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action. I reported similar behaviour relatively recently and it was handled very well. I don’t think you have anything to be proud of here and I hope any decent work place will remind you of company policy and/or professional behaviour.
Behold, the Red Guards have arrived!
MarieIVanArkleStinks · 15/04/2021 14:44

You don’t ‘come out’ as GC. If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action.

Yeah, I'll bet you would.

sanluca · 15/04/2021 14:44

You do have to wonder why someone should face disciplinary action and education because they alerted their boss (not social media, not newspapers, their boss) that a lack of risk assesment could harm the company....

yourhairiswinterfire · 15/04/2021 14:42

You don’t ‘come out’ as GC. If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action

I'd take action against anyone who tried to discipline me for the crime of suggesting risk assessment and the use of clear language Hmm

Who would be doing this 'educating'?

ethelredonagoodday · 15/04/2021 14:42

@SweetPetrichor

You don’t ‘come out’ as GC. If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action. I reported similar behaviour relatively recently and it was handled very well. I don’t think you have anything to be proud of here and I hope any decent work place will remind you of company policy and/or professional behaviour.
Bloody hell. George Orwell foresaw it all!
vinoandbrie · 15/04/2021 14:42

Well done! That must have taken guts 💐

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 15/04/2021 14:42

The silence might well be fear. Not disagreement.

That's very likely. There's currently a consultation underway in my workplace (driven by the likes of Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence etc) working from the basis that trans people are under attack and facing disproportionate levels of workplace discrimination and transphobia. The question of what exactly is being defined as transphobia is vague, as is so often the case. Perhaps transphobia is defined in terms of my own (sex based) experiences and oppression as a woman, in their very workplace. I've had my reputation unfairly trashed for daring to report sexual harassment against me. If this consultation goes the way I fear it's going, I will probably end up being expected to share toileting facilities with my harasser (I already carry a rape alarm and live in fear as it is).

I'm genuinely afraid. That is, not wanting to 'deny the existence' of trans people, but plain, unadulterated fear. I already know what men are capable of doing, having experienced some of the worst it it. I now fear enduring even more of this, at a time of my life when I just thought (EMDR therapy having concluded a mere 2 years ago) I might be in a place where I can move past it. Fear that even a place of safety from that harasser might end up being open season. What about women? Why doesn't our discrimination, dignity, and safety matter?

The trans lobbyists already have a very effective rebuttal from the distressed pleas of women like me. We are 'weaponising our trauma'.

Women are fucked. I'm so depressed and feeling utterly hopeless about all this today.

Umbivalent · 15/04/2021 14:38

@SweetPetrichor

You don’t ‘come out’ as GC. If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action. I reported similar behaviour relatively recently and it was handled very well. I don’t think you have anything to be proud of here and I hope any decent work place will remind you of company policy and/or professional behaviour.
Shudder.
Dontcallmewifey · 15/04/2021 14:38

@SweetPetrichor further education

Grin

This tells me everything I need to know about you. You are wilfully close minded just like all the authoritarians of the right and the left in history behind you.

NancyDrawed · 15/04/2021 14:37

@SweetPetrichor

You don’t ‘come out’ as GC. If I worked with you, I’d be reporting such behaviour for further education and disciplinary action. I reported similar behaviour relatively recently and it was handled very well. I don’t think you have anything to be proud of here and I hope any decent work place will remind you of company policy and/or professional behaviour.
Disciplinary action? Reporting 'such behaviour'?

I'm glad I don't work where you do! (as are you, no doubt)

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