NHS staff invitation to menopause workshop to people who menstruate!

@EastWestWhosBest last thread I was on they were a science teacher.

Does that mean trans women can come to these classes if it says women?

Well only if they are in complete denial about themselves or are being bellends and wanting to wind up women.

I’ve never known someone who works along side the NHS with so much free time on their hands...

I’d like to know if anyone they ran it past is actually a transman? Or are they just asking non trans, woke individuals what they think a transman might like.

Because I can’t imagine transmen would like being referred to in this way either.

The self appointed monitors of this board are deliberately making this space a place where women cannot discuss their own concerns and lived experiences. There is a reason for that.

Only just seen this thread.

Well done OP for sticking your head above the parapet on this. And some great advice from other wise owls too.

if women can tolerate 'women and TM/NB/OFAB/any other titles people would prefer and find respectful and inclusive' then everyone else can tolerate female people who want to use the word woman for themselves alongside their own chosen words.

Yes

If people would cover it and everyone should put up and shut up, then woman would equally well cover it. But the fact is that some people prefer not to call themselves a woman.

It's not difficult. Apply your own standards equally and it'll work just fine: if women can tolerate 'women and TM/NB/OFAB/any other titles people would prefer and find respectful and inclusive' then everyone else can tolerate female people who want to use the word woman for themselves alongside their own chosen words.

Here we go - the deletions have begun. The people who fear women's speech have found this thread.

The fact my last post was deleted entirely proves my point.

women, and anyone female at birth.” Done

Yes that’s another good way of saying it

Yes, off to walk the dog now. Sorry, I mean penis-owning canine, of course.

You want trans women to have the right to be called women.

But you want to call women "people".

Oh, only trans women are allowed to be called women.

You see, ASugarr, there are many issues that affect women - adult human females - and we need that word left as it is, clearly understood by every English speaker, so that we have a name for our group.

Considering the trans activist side accuses gender critical feminists of “reducing women to their body parts” I’m astonished that they support this objectifying, dehumanising language like “people with a cervix” which LITERALLY describes women by their body parts! As women have said countless times there is a very easy compromise here : you can say “women, and anyone female at birth.” Done.

I’d just like to point something else in the NHS guidelines so helpfully posted for us, posted under

1. Make sure everyone can use the service

Make sure people with different physical, mental health, social, cultural or learning needs can use your service, whether it's for the public or staff.

Also people who do not have access to the internet or lack the skills or confidence to use it.

Why it's important

NHS services are for everyone. We have a duty to consider everyone’s needs when we’re designing and delivering services.

“Inclusive, accessible services are better for everyone. For example, using simple words helps people who are sick or stressed as well as people who have a learning disability. ”

service-manual.nhs.uk/service-standard/5-make-sure-everyone-can-use-the-service

I think words such as “woman” and “man” fit this description, as well as being more recognisable for those for whom English is not their first language. On the other hand, words such as (people with/who etc) “cervix” “menstruate” “menopause” are probably not so easily understood nor recognised.

You want trans women to have the right to be called women.

But you want to call women "people".

Help me out here @ASugarr !!

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But women are people with a cervix so

Don’t some women have penises?

Women who’ve had total hysterectomies don’t have a cervix. They do, however go through menopause.

A workshop aimed at “people with cervices experiencing the menopause” specifically excludes women who have had total hysterectomies.

Let’s just be clear about who matters here and who, clearly, doesn’t.

And non binary people.

Non-binary people of the female sex are included in the word 'woman'. It's a word that encompasses half of the human race.