NHS staff invitation to menopause workshop to people who menstruate!

n England, screening for AAA is offered to people with penises, and trans women, during the year they turn 65.

Scrotum-havers and trans women aged 65 or over are most at risk of getting AAAs. Screening can help spot a swelling in the aorta early on when it can usually be treated. Screening for AAA is not routinely offered to:
• people with vaginas
•People with penises under 65
•scrotum-havers who have already been treated for an AAA

This is because the risk of getting an AAA is much smaller in these groups.

Sunshine
Just imagine the uproar if the whole of that page had to be feminised
offered to
men and other people
men and transmen
and not offered to
women and other people
men and other people
oh, hang on

they know what women are / are not
methinks a bit of sex discrimination
is going on here

looking at that link :
pregnant women seems OK on a page to do with Men's health
but not women's

oh silly me
its because the me are not clever enough to work through the
doublespeak
that women are used to

I mean we all know the answer. It’s because some men who claim they are women target women’s medicine. And the reasons for that are unmentionable here, but real nonetheless.

And every time men who claim they are women do this, they reveal just how much they really are men to their very core.

Sorry, women’s reproductive health, not women’s medicine,

Indeed having looked at the link myself, I have no idea why they pointed it out as it’s perfectly clear throughout and mentions both men and women.

Which begs the question, why is it specifically that they would use dehumanising language, not for an illness that affects women, but for anything related to women’s reproductive health..

I mean we all know the answer. It’s because some men who claim they are women target women’s medicine. And the reasons for that are unmentionable here, but real nonetheless.

What a pathetic non-reply they gave you. Maybe you should proof-read and edit that link so they can see how it feels to be called a penis-haver and scrotum-hanger.

Not everyone who menstruates is a woman

Literally everyone who menstruates is a woman.

They would prefer that the word woman is not associated with any of its biological meaning at all, just inner feelings and then there is no distinction between whether you’re a woman who menstruates or one with a penis!

Yes and in the process make it clear via the language that you use that the other lot are the support humans, the bleeders, incubators etc

Out of interest I took a look at the language used in the Aortic Aneurism Screening Service that the reply mentioned. Oh look - it's very clear that this is a heart issue that applies to men so only men are routinely screened:

www.nhs.uk/conditions/abdominal-aortic-aneurysm-screening/

No penis havers or ejaculators . Plain clear targeted language. As it should be - except when it comes to women in the NHS.

It’s quite normal to have people who just go through publicity materials to find a basis for complaints

However I’m still baffled as to how it’s this that gets so much traction. People with disabilities have been complaining for ever about exclusionary language as well as physical exclusion because of inaccessible buildings etc but strangely very little seems to change...

Agree, we have to start complaining more.

”Gender Diversity in particular has seen unprecedented change in recent years, with more recently, a focus on maternity services following patient feedback.”

This tells me we have to complain every single time we are excluded by their ludicrous use of dehumanising language. I am aware of Stonewall at al’s influence, but this suggests that this might be partly driven by a tiny group of people who are determined to complain loudly on every possible occasion in order to drive the change they want.

NHS policies and guidance are increasingly adapting to be more inclusive in the use of language and terminology to reflect society. Gender Diversity in particular has seen unprecedented change in recent years
Which rather ignores the fact that
only those without a Y chromosome
have periods
only those without a Y chromosome
go through the menopause
only those without a Y chromosome
go through pregnancy and childbirth

Strange that an organisation in charge of health care has such a poor grasp of biology

'. It is a complex area but the intention is always one that acts in a person’s best interest and accords them dignity and privacy.'

I don't think referring to women by their bodily functions is very dignified. Periods aren't dignified. How is it dignified to essentially refer to someone as a person who expels blood and tissue from their vagina cyclically.

Would a man find it dignified to be referred to as a person with a scrotum?

They genuinely think this language is dignified.

The explanations are always more damning than the original.

@OnlyTheHousekeeper if the word woman is associated with any of the biological functions that women go through, this hurts the feelings of trans women as this is a definition of women they can’t sit within.
They would prefer that the word woman is not associated with any of its biological meaning at all, just inner feelings and then there is no distinction between whether you’re a woman who menstruates or one with a penis!

@Kit19 @Lifeaintalwaysempty I meant transwomen

But it still doesn't make sense that if you desire to be a woman, then applying the word women to you should make you happy!

If TWAW and TMAM then there is no need for any of this, simply men and women is sufficient as appropriate.

After all surely transwomen know deep down they don't menstruate or go through menopause either so to be referred to this bodily function is just as exclusionary!

I wonder if it’s worth asking them to help to get to the point of resolving this soonest by defining sex and gender and gender diversity and gender reassignment as used in their correspondence.
And by asking them again if they could please respond to your sex-based points in relation the dignity and privacy of women/adult human females in this workplace. These other measures they have described taking (while important to note for women) don’t seem to be directly relevant to women (natal females), regardless of how they identify their own gender, in the sense of your question which is was about the dignity of peri and post menopausal colleagues at your workplace who by definition will only be female. If this employer didn’t avoid using sex based terms it would be much clearer what they meant.

I don’t think the reply even warrants the term mansplanning. They couldn’t be bothered to understand your concerns or respond to them. Rubbish standard reply.

I wonder how much your Head of Equality and Diversity is paid and why they feel the need to seek external guidance on this. Pathetic. No wonder the NHS is in such a poor state if senior staff have to defer to external consultants.

It is a complex area but the intention is always one that acts in a person’s best interest and accords them dignity and privacy.

But they're practically admitting that they don't care about 52% of the population's 'dignity' or 'best interests.'

That answer from your EDI people is perfect mansplaining, and their focus on "gender" rather than "sex" contravenes the Equalities Act.

It is patronising & pompous and doesn't acknowledge the offence caused to women by excluding them from a workshop fucking well only women are qualified to attend.