Jameela Jamil just tweeted this....

It is shocking. That's what happens when a person is blinded by ideology. So true, transbadger, so true.

What I find appalling is the deliberate twisting and obfuscation that they deliberately employ, let alone the contradictions which are legion.

I noticed this story today. Strange how concerned doctors are about the ability of this 23 year old to consent to treatment.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56737353

I have a general rule - never listen to actors you love talking in real life.

She’s thick as mince and shameless. Imagine leaving your (as best mis informed , at worst down right lie) for the world to see after you’ve had your arse so comprehensively handed to you.

On the other hand she’s an amazing actress, because the character she played in The Good Place isn’t as think, shallow, vapid, superficial and self obsessed as she is, so well played,

@Helleofabore

ChiefBabySniffer

Sophocles

Horrendously difficult reads. I cannot imagine any young person taking these. I remember reading a mother’s story of her teenaged ftm transition with PB. The menopausal symptoms were horrendous for that person who was still effectively a child. I am concerned by any person who minimises the effects of these drugs.

The handwaving away of ‘they are just the effects of the drugs’ is chilling. To be fair, I tend to associate this handwaving away with people only looking at the drugs from a male perspective (ie: usually males talking about males taking them) or people willing to throw female health under the bus.

Shocking though, when they do it in the name of feminism.

It is shocking. That's what happens when a person is blinded by ideology.

ChiefBabySniffer

Sophocles

Horrendously difficult reads. I cannot imagine any young person taking these. I remember reading a mother’s story of her teenaged ftm transition with PB. The menopausal symptoms were horrendous for that person who was still effectively a child. I am concerned by any person who minimises the effects of these drugs.

The handwaving away of ‘they are just the effects of the drugs’ is chilling. To be fair, I tend to associate this handwaving away with people only looking at the drugs from a male perspective (ie: usually males talking about males taking them) or people willing to throw female health under the bus.

Shocking though, when they do it in the name of feminism.

Just reading the reies on Twitter...she should just admit she was wrong and confused PB and the contraceptive pill.

Thanks Datun. I feel like I’m banging the drum a bit sometimes, but I can’t let it lie.

One thing to note is that I have yet to have, in all the times that I have mentioned it, a trans ally say to me “I’m sorry you went through that. I understand now what your misgivings are”. Not one sincere expression of sympathy, not once. Isn’t that interesting?

Other fun facts about endo. It can only be formally diagnosed via laparoscopy. And it does not necessarily cause heavy periods. Using GNRHa solely for heavy periods would be like burning your house down because you don’t like the kitchen.

So yeah, Jameela- pants on fire, mate.

www.endometriosis-uk.org/endometriosis-facts-and-figures

According to this website , it takes an.average of 7.5 years to receive a dx of endo.

Unlikely anyone in primary school would have one. Probably applies to secondary schools too.

I can imagine a young jameela getting confused between girls on PB at 6 and 7 and teens on the pill at 13/14, because on one level both scenarios are to control periods.

But Jameela is now in her mid 30, she shouldn't be confused. At least she is now linking periods to girls, so she is learning.

Does this help at all?

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6485466/

Prescribed for Endometriosis also. Induce a reverseable menopause to 'reset' the body and reduce heavy periods.
There is a glut of this type of medication, sometimes the same under a different name, that's supposed to do just this and more. Surgery is often an option after this option has been exhausted.

Merging this info with the precocious puberty info may help.

One of the, if not the best thing about this site is the benefit of information sharing.

Particularly as it is almost exclusively female specific.

It's unique. And very powerful.

Comments like those from livingwitheds1984 and Sophoclesthefox are enormously helpful.

I, for one, very much appreciate them. I cant think of anywhere else you would get such a range of experience from such a diverse number of women.

A child of 5,6,7 wouldn't know what periods were let alone that "loads of girls were on pbs for heavy periods."

In a primary school that would basically cover what 150/200 children in infant's?

Surely more than one or 2 being on them would be an instant flag?

Use for precious puberty would be much younger than 10/11 that she seems to be talking about. Even 9 wouldn't be using pbs.

A child of 5,6,7 wouldn't know what periods were let alone that "loads of girls were on pbs for heavy periods."

I'm just going by what my friend told me while she was receiving specialist care and what she told by her care team.

As an aside my wonderful friend had EDS. Horrific disease which can lead to cancer. Most people with EDS die at a fairly young age. She is very much missed.

Forgive me for derailing, but this is simply not true and is dangerous misinformation.

I have Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, and am an active member of Ehlers-Danlos Support UK (www.ehlers-danlos.org/).

There are 13 different unique types of EDS. Only two of those types (Vascular Ehlers-Danlos and Kyphoscoliosis form) are associated with a decreased life expectancy. People with h-EDS have an average life expectancy of 48. These two forms are very rare.

The most common forms of EDS (Classic and Hypermobile) are not associated with lowered life expectancy. There are plenty of elderly people with EDS. I'm not aware of any link between EDS and cancer and there's no medical literature suggesting EDS can lead to cancer.

Many people with EDS do experience significant mobility impairment but there are also plenty of people with EDS who work and raise families and you'd never know they have it.

I think Jameela is a pathological liar, and her lies about trans issues are very dangerous. But it's absolutely possible that she does have EDS and it's just not true that most people with EDS die young.

On a lighter note, I Concur that JJ is not a reliable source of information on anything, given her troubled history with bees and her health

We do also know that there have been 2 very publically aired cases of children who have taken blockers as part of early transition and the difficulties that resulted when it came to surgical transition later on.

Given that 98 percent ( according to the Tavistock study ) go on to take cross sex hormones then that will mean that the male born children will also have similar outcomes should they have surgery later too.

And that's from the horses mouths so to speak .

chiefbabysniffer, that sound so, so difficult

I feel like a worn out record on this, but I am happy to wheel it out one more time for the benefit of anyone who is sunny about these awful, awful drugs.

I was on Triporelin (the most commonly prescribed GNRHa in the UK) for less than six months for severe endometriosis. It causes, effectively, instantaneous menopause.

I had night sweats that would soak through the sheets and wake me up
I would cry for hours, with no idea really why
My bones ached like they were in a vice
I would have hot flushes so severe that sweat would be visibly running off me, and I had to carry a change of clothes at all times.
I would lose my temper for no reason whatsoever, when I am generally a very even tempered person.
My periods never returned to normal, and neither did my fertility.
It is possible that all of this contributed to my early menopause, which led to a cluster of chronic, degenerative autoimmune conditions.

It didn’t even help with the endo, and I only found relief by paying thousands of pounds for private surgery. Before that, when yet another gynae had suggested I try it one more time, my husband broke down sobbing and begged me not to, as he couldn’t stand watching me go through all that again.

I would never support this drug being given to a child who, as R0 points out above, has mainly been diagnosed with failure to conform to sex role stereotypes. The evidence as it stands is that the benefit is unclear, which does not surprise me, as there is such a lack of clarity about what they are actually supposed to treat, and the risk of harm is too great.

On a lighter note, I Concur that JJ is not a reliable source of information on anything, given her troubled history with bees and her health.

Puberty blockers have a 100% safety record*

• If you're already brain dead

Ah the 'science'.
Isn't JJ the one they always trot out on panel shows in place of an actual female comedian? I mean before they got Catherine Ryan who ticks the stunning and funny box.
JJ is not funny, but this tweet is.

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Certain posters are having less of an impact though... which is nice.

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I see the usual lack of acknowledgment of any of the information given on this thread. Same old same old.

(why have you chosen to use the greek 'anti' as opposed to the usual latin 'contra' which means the same thing?)

Sorry, bilingual. Mixing languages here. English is contraception, in Dutch it is anticonception.

I don't know what the aim is (well I do know) but the reality is that it doesn't actually help any of those conditions in a substantial way.