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Jameela Jamil just tweeted this....

361 replies

GizmoBasil · 14/04/2021 08:06

She's mainly being pulled apart in the comments due to, you know, lying.

No doubt in my mind that she's getting puberty blockers and the contraceptive pill mixed up.

Such a shame as I have been following her since my early 20's and found her feminism very accessible back then.

Am I being unreasonable to say she's talking nonsense??

Jameela Jamil just tweeted this....
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GoingThruTheMotions · 14/04/2021 18:52

Wikipedia can be instantly edited by anyone, apart from the protected pages. I've done it myself to show classes how unreliable a resource it is.
I also wasn't allowed to reference it in my degree.

R0wantrees · 14/04/2021 18:52

People sharing US papers as gotchas would do well to remember that UK has different prescribing protocols.

Emmelina · 14/04/2021 18:51

Yes, I’m sure that’s what she’s mistaking it for. I knew a few on the contraceptive pill for periods. Puberty blockers are a completely different beast!

Shizuku · 14/04/2021 18:51

@Helleofabore

It's pure transphobia.

Well, there it is..... we are discussing the prescription of puberty blockers for teenagers for heavy periods and the likelihood that Jameela know even one on this prescription.

You are making some pretty massive leaps here. But I guess it does show your intention.

You can prove it isn't transphobia by extending the anti-PBs rhetoric and campaigning to include girls who are receiving them for HMB.
PotholeHellhole · 14/04/2021 18:51

The point of her post being of course that no one is running around with their hair on fire until the treatment is used for a trans child.

The point of her post being bollocks and her grave ignorance of the situation of the now adult children who were put on puberty blockers for precocious puberty.

One is supposed to learn from history, not repeat it by trying the same treatment pathway on patients for different symptoms, and then going surprisedpikachu.gif when it does the same to them.

Umbivalent · 14/04/2021 18:49

The point of her post being of course that no one is running around with their hair on fire until the treatment is used for a trans child

The point of her post being of course that she was talking bollocks.

Helleofabore · 14/04/2021 18:48

It's pure transphobia.

Well, there it is..... we are discussing the prescription of puberty blockers for teenagers for heavy periods and the likelihood that Jameela know even one on this prescription.

You are making some pretty massive leaps here. But I guess it does show your intention.

Shizuku · 14/04/2021 18:48

@Helleofabore

Right, so we've established that it is used to treat HMB in adolescents and none of you have any idea whether Jameela know any girls at school who were prescribed it.

Really. so, 'loads' of girls at her school were being treated with PBs as the last resort for HMB.

Were you a teenager having periods, heavy or not, in the 90s? If it was anything like my own experience, the doctors at the time usually hand waved it away. In the 90s. In the 90s, I was told by numerous male doctors periods were normal and just get over it. I was told by numerous female doctors that there was little anyone could do really at my age although they did at least sympathise.

It is highly unlikely that there were 'load' of girls even experiencing that degree of HMB that they required the last line of treatment, PB.

I am not sure that twisting this to suit an entrenched narrative is going to convince a forum with a majority of women who have either had personal experience of treatment of heavy periods, had a child or sibling experiencing treatment of heavy periods or knows someone at least who has, that a load of teenagers in the 90s at one particular school were treated with puberty blocker for heavy periods.

But if any are treated with it, surely that's cause for concern given all the Mumsnetters have to say about the dangers. I mean now you know that's how it's being used, surely you want to campaign against it.

If you don't you are only proving Jameela's point.

yourhairiswinterfire · 14/04/2021 18:47

If they were regularly used on ''loads of girls'' for heavy periods, why did no 'experts' at the Keira Bell judicial review think to mention it? They mentioned their other uses...

Those 'many girls' will be in their mid 30s now, the perfect people to tell us all about any side effects. Where's the data?

Sophoclesthefox · 14/04/2021 18:46

I’ve checked the guidelines on heavy menstrual bleeding from the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, and NICE, and neither of those recommend or even mention GNRHa, not even as a last-chance option.

It’s not a routine treatment, Wikipedia is not a reliable medical resource and nor is Jameela.

Shizuku · 14/04/2021 18:45

@NecessaryScene1

I'm willing to bet £500 no more than one at Jameela's school would have been on them. One is possible, and it might be the grain of truth. "Loads" is inconceivable.

It's a bit like the bees thing. Being attacked by 2 bees is plausible. 500 is not. (I'll take £500 on that too.)

There are 24,000 schools in the UK. That's a lot of girls on PBs for HMB even if it's only one per school. You better start a thread about the damage this is doing and get some campaigns going to stop it being prescribed.
Helleofabore · 14/04/2021 18:45

Right, so we've established that it is used to treat HMB in adolescents and none of you have any idea whether Jameela know any girls at school who were prescribed it.

Really. so, 'loads' of girls at her school were being treated with PBs as the last resort for HMB.

Were you a teenager having periods, heavy or not, in the 90s? If it was anything like my own experience, the doctors at the time usually hand waved it away. In the 90s. In the 90s, I was told by numerous male doctors periods were normal and just get over it. I was told by numerous female doctors that there was little anyone could do really at my age although they did at least sympathise.

It is highly unlikely that there were 'load' of girls even experiencing that degree of HMB that they required the last line of treatment, PB.

I am not sure that twisting this to suit an entrenched narrative is going to convince a forum with a majority of women who have either had personal experience of treatment of heavy periods, had a child or sibling experiencing treatment of heavy periods or knows someone at least who has, that a load of teenagers in the 90s at one particular school were treated with puberty blocker for heavy periods.

PotholeHellhole · 14/04/2021 18:44

There must be a lot of legal cases in the pipeline, all involving alumna of her school.

www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

For years, Sharissa Derricott, 30, had no idea why her body seemed to be failing. At 21, a surgeon replaced her deteriorated jaw joint. She’s been diagnosed with degenerative disc disease and fibromyalgia, a chronic pain condition. Her teeth are shedding enamel and cracking.

None of it made sense to her until she discovered a community of women online who describe similar symptoms and have one thing in common: All had taken a drug called Lupron.

Thousands of parents chose to inject their daughters with the drug, which was approved to shut down puberty in young girls but also is commonly used off-label to help short kids grow taller.

The drug’s pediatric version comes with few warnings about long-term side effects. It is also used in adults to fight prostate cancer or relieve uterine pain and the Food and Drug Administration has warnings on the drug’s adult labels about a variety of side effects.

More than 10,000 adverse event reports filed with the FDA reflect the experiences of women who’ve taken Lupron. The reports describe everything from brittle bones to faulty joints.

Shizuku · 14/04/2021 18:43

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SpanishLady · 14/04/2021 18:41

She drives me a bit mad - sometimes I do think it isn't necessary for her 'voice' to necessarily heard about every topic......

yourhairiswinterfire · 14/04/2021 18:39

Right, so we've established that it is used to treat HMB in adolescents and none of you have any idea whether Jameela know any girls at school who were prescribed it.

Infrequently used. The NHS website doesn't even mention them (thanks for Malcolm's thread Clymene)

Bit weird that she claims she knew ''loads of girls'' on them. What a massive coincidence that there was a cluster of girls in her school who all at the same time were suffering so badly that they were all given the exact same rare treatment...

Helleofabore · 14/04/2021 18:37

@NecessaryScene1

So if they are "infrequently used in adolescents solely for the indication of HMB", how likely is it that "loads of girls at Jameela's school were on them"? Hmm
Well .... maybe there was a prescription happy doctor who may be facing many law suits now?

Or maybe, which is more logical, she has it mixed up with the pill.

Considering when she was a teenager, heavy menstrual bleeding was probably generally hand waved away as an issue most of the time, I would consider it more of the latter than the former.

NecessaryScene1 · 14/04/2021 18:35

I'm willing to bet £500 no more than one at Jameela's school would have been on them. One is possible, and it might be the grain of truth. "Loads" is inconceivable.

It's a bit like the bees thing. Being attacked by 2 bees is plausible. 500 is not. (I'll take £500 on that too.)

Umbivalent · 14/04/2021 18:35

none of you have any idea whether Jameela know any girls at school who were prescribed it

Loads. Loads of girls at her school were apparently prescribed this last-resort, rarely-prescribed treatment.

Helleofabore · 14/04/2021 18:34

@Shizuku

You didn't need to go any further than Wikipedia.
I think a wikipedia entry is a bit of a stretch as 'evidence' in this case. That would absolutely not make sense that a doctor would stop puberty to treat heavy periods when other less health compromising ways to treat heavy periods are readily available.

Any person who has had periods would probably take that wiki entry with a grain of salt before applying it to treatment of teenaged girls. Have you read any of the personal accounts on this very thread of the repercussions of taking these drugs? Read any personal accounts of the many women who were prescribed the drugs for precocious puberty?

Shizuku · 14/04/2021 18:31

@yourhairiswinterfire

You didn't need to go any further than Wikipedia.

And if you go to the Heavy Menstrual Bleeding page and go to Treatment>Medications
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_menstrual_bleeding#Treatment

it says:

First line
Intrauterine device with progesterone

Second Line
Tranexamic acid an antifibrinolytic agent
Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs).
Combined oral contraceptive pills to prevent proliferation of the endometrium

Third line
Oral progestogen (e.g. norethisterone), to prevent proliferation of the endometrium
Injected progestogen (e.g. Depo provera)

Other options
Gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonist

GnRH as a treatment comes last, when all the other options (the ones like birth control that have been discussed on this thread) have been exhausted.

No doctors were, or are, dishing them out to treat heavy periods. It's taken me 10 years to get my GP to take mine seriously, there's no way they're just putting teenagers on them for heavy periods.

"GnRH as a treatment comes last, when all the other options (the ones like birth control that have been discussed on this thread) have been exhausted."

Right, so we've established that it is used to treat HMB in adolescents and none of you have any idea whether Jameela know any girls at school who were prescribed it.

PotholeHellhole · 14/04/2021 18:29

It says "it is infrequently used in adolescents solely for..." though?

NecessaryScene1 · 14/04/2021 18:28

So if they are "infrequently used in adolescents solely for the indication of HMB", how likely is it that "loads of girls at Jameela's school were on them"? Hmm

CardinalLolzy · 14/04/2021 18:28

"It is infrequently used in adolescents solely for the indication of HMB"

You've posted something that agrees with what we've all been saying - did you mean to?

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